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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by dheera » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:12 PM UTC

teamonkey wrote: post #360

dheera wrote: post #207

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The worst part about it is they require a nonstandard, USB-C standard-violating proprietary power brick that does 5V5A. None of your 100W Anker or Apple power bricks will supply this. They'll do 12V3A, 12V5A, 20V5A, but not 5V5A. Yet another piece of nonstandard USB-C equipment.

It doesn't need it, on the blog they say that if you use a standard 15W USB supply, it (by default) limits the board's USB output current so it can't cause a power failure at 100% CPU.

Oh, I see, so 100% CPU with no USB devices can run fine on 5V3A? That's nice to know. I could just use a powered hub for USB devices then.

I wish they had an auxilary DC power connector of some sort though that could just power the Pi on straight up + and - from a DC power supply. Ideally anywhere from 5-12V.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nfriedly » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:14 PM UTC

tedivm wrote: post #554

teamonkey wrote: post #532

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Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.

They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer ba…

FWIW, the odroid forums have some assholes that will come out of the woodwork if you even mention a competing product. I reported one, and the mods told me that the forum was only for odroid products, so they weren't going to take any action.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by AmIDev » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

l1k wrote: post #430

Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

The point here is likely to pull the rug out from under scalpers' feet. With the Raspberry Pi 5 out in two weeks, all the held-back inventory of older models will be dumped, prices will plummet, availability will become a non-issue. In that sense it's a wise move.

If scalpers are able to sell a product at higher price, doesn't that mean the company priced the product too low?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by belthesar » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

nine_k wrote: post #524

IE6 wrote: post #483

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I agree with you about dev boards but I think their post was focused on things like used NUCs or other small x86 machines that are only marginally larger than a Pi in an enclosure and include literally everything you'd want (enclosure, pwa fan, SATA SSD, NVMe, wifi, etc.) and the software support is there (linux / windows).

How about power consumption, especially in when not under load? I remember that Intel chips were not as efficient at it as chips with ARM cores.

Intel's finally getting competitive in this market with the 12th/13th gen chips, because of the heterogeneous efficiency/performance core layout. That said, I pine for an ARM SoC or SBC that has a larger core count, and doesn't have embedded RAM packages, or at least offers at least 32 GB of RAM.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nfriedly » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:20 PM UTC

pipo234 wrote: post #275

moffkalast wrote: post #210

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Alright so 27W with heavy peripheral draw then? But 12 W still means it'll be drawing 2.4 amps instead of 1.6 when a random process decides to 100% it. I guess we can always underclock it. The real unanswered question is, does it finally have a damn sleep mode so it can save power when idle.

I read that the "PC style" power button allows both soft and hard shutdown, so I suppose suspend and hibernate come into the picture as well. It's mostly a matter of OS support, the firmware seems to be there.

> soft and hard shutdown

My reading of that was:

"soft" = trigger an orderly OS shutdown, the same as if you executed `shutdown now` on the command line.

"hard" = cut power immediately, as if you just unplugged the power cable.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by teamonkey » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:20 PM UTC

tedivm wrote: post #554

teamonkey wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.

They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer ba…

> During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market.

Which is 100% the correct thing to do. They said they were especially prioritising smaller companies that relied on Raspberry Pis, where otherwise those companies would collapse or need to lay people off, and also kept some aside for educational establishments.

Sorry to say this, but your home assistant plant waterer robot dog feeder is less important, especially since hobbyists can just go to another product much easier than a small business can.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by dtx1 » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:21 PM UTC

badtension wrote: post #422

dtx1 wrote: post #411

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You can have 4k60 and still have open office take seconds to respond to a keyboard input.

Sure but why include that if a text processor is too much for the board? To display static images or demoscene visualisations?

If it's hardware accelerated it could still display that fine. I'm sure there are older games that could indeed run in 4k60fps

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by doubled112 » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

pbronez wrote: post #609

doubled112 wrote: post #431

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I have the non-plus and have been pretty happy with it. A lot more computing power than the Pi 4 and older home server it replaced. The M.2 slot was an absolute game changer. Real onboard storage is a must. It runs a few low resource VMs in the garage and I almost completely forget it exists.

How is the software support? That’s the main thing keeping me on rPi. I tried Pine64 and it was terrible. Never could get my PineBook Pro to boot reliably.

There are always little things. As far as I know, desktop works pretty well and there are people running PS2 emulation on it, which has always been super heavy.

arm64 has come a long way for that use case.

It's been solid as the VM host so far. I wrote an Armbian SD card and it just worked. Once a VM is booted though, many things become irrelevant outside of arm64 support.

I haven't tried again since February, so there's a decent chance my issues are fixed, but ZFS wouldn't build and VLAN support was disabled for the NIC. Not blockers, but it did make me rethink some ideas I had.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by extraduder_ire » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:36 PM UTC

dixie_land wrote: post #571

l1k wrote: post #430

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The point here is likely to pull the rug out from under scalpers' feet. With the Raspberry Pi 5 out in two weeks, all the held-back inventory of older models will be dumped, prices will plummet, availability will become a non-issue. In that sense it's a wise move.

On a similar note, I'm genuinely curious as to why Pi chose the "authorized reseller" model instead of selling them directly.

They do also sell them directly, though not in large quantities. They even have a retail store somewhere in the UK.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by justin66 » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

Eduard wrote: post #605

justin66 wrote: post #592

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Someone buying used electronics on eBay has already decided that their time is worthless and the hardware doesn't need to be dependable out of the box. Which is fine, those are decisions a person could make, but it's just disingenuous to compare the value of one thing to another without taking the you are using someone's untested trash factor into account.

Raspberry Pi 4s fresh out of the factory often have hardware issues themselves (HDMI connector failures, unreliable USB port power supply on reboot etc.), as one can see from the numerous (and unacknowleged) reports on Raspberry Pi forums — so I find the comparison with used hardware fair.

Why lie? Pis have fragile connectors and they certainly break more often during use than a brand name laptop's connectors, but they do not have a high defect rate out of the box.