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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Scharkenberg »

hu3 wrote: post #43
divbzero wrote: post #30

I’ve used Nativefier for years and am excited for this new feature described in the release notes: > Web apps let you use any website like an app, complete with an icon in the Dock for faster access and a simplified toolbar for easier browsing.

Is that the PWA install feature thing? Windows/Chrome has that feature. For example accessing https://github.com shows an install button, which creates icon for direct access and allows GitHub to have a dedicated window and notifications. https://i.imgur.com/IjxsMpA.png

Edge's implementation is better.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by throwaway2990 »

azangru wrote: post #576
throwaway2990 wrote: post #545

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Messages, notes, Safari. All awesome. Can you imagine installing crap like chrome, ever notes, or fake e2e what’s app?

> Can you imagine installing crap like chrome I can. Great dev tools, and usually is ahead of other browsers in implementing web apis. What Safari team presented at WWDC this year regarding PWAs as something revolutionary has been available in Chrome for years.

lol PWAs are trash. As is chrome. Firefox dev tools are equiv of chrome. Without all the trash Google ads/adds to chrome.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by halostatue »

AndroidKitKat wrote: post #597
halostatue wrote: post #358

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I use both MacPorts and Homebrew. By and large, I prefer MacPorts (because I can pin a package and it will stay pinned, whereas Homebrew will upgrade a package if it happens to be a dependency of something else) but there are numerous packages and casks only available in Homebrew. If I could switch entirely to MacPorts, I would.

I wonder why there aren't more "casks" for MacPorts. On my work MacBook, I've got Firefox, Google Chrome, Orbstack, and Visual Studio Code installed via brew casks, and none of them are present in the MacPorts catalog. Maybe I should step up and learn how to package things for MacPorts...

I think that, by and large, MacPorts wants to ultimately build things. I was just looking at the MacVim port and it does not have a way of downloading the Release from GitHub (as far as I can tell). It will download a precompiled binary from the MacPorts build farm, but it has Sparkle disabled, etc., so it is managed fully from MacPorts.

It would be an interesting discussion to have, as they do have some of that sort of thing (the 1Password CLI, for example), but I don’t know what the general policy would be.

I’d love to see MacPorts get more funding for build resources and to potentially add that, because the way that Homebrew works occasionally leaves things broken (`pipx` venvs are a great example).

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Scharkenberg »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #360
royjacobs wrote: post #123

Meanwhile Microsoft dropped their major Windows update today too, enabling me to ungroup taskbar items. Put THAT in your Apple and smoke it!

I don't get why they removed this in the first place

They rewrote almost all of the Taskbar code for Windows 11. This was the first major update to it since the introduction of the Superbar in Windows 7.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by faitswulff »

iFreilicht wrote: post #485
faitswulff wrote: post #354

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The Determinate Systems nix installer is quite smooth: https://github.com/DeterminateSystems/nix-installer/ Though it does tend to get clobbered on macOS updates.

Yeah, that's a long-running and pretty much unfixable issue as macOS updates overwrite /etc/zshrc. AFAIK, the determinate systems installer does somewhat resolve this as you can just run it again and it will fix the issue. The default installer is not idempotent yet (and my work on trying to resolve that has stalled, unfortunately, see https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/7603 ), so trying to run it again to fix this is…

Yeah, I generally uninstall (with the remaining nix-installer binary on the nix volume) and then reinstall. It would be great if the installer were idempotent and I could just re-run the installer!

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Post by chatmasta »

bzzzt wrote: post #526
Hammershaft wrote: post #463

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Apple's hardware is incredible but the software is increasingly grating for any kind of power usage. Xcode is frustrating, the permissions system is flagrantly designed for Apple's self interest, window, monitor, and app management is rife with ancient bugs and half baked design decisions.

But what's the alternative? Windows has also become incredibly grating with even more telemetry and commercial offerings embedded in the OS (especially the home versions). If you think of macOS as 'half baked' I'm curious what you think of Linux distributions with their infighting about everything from the desktop and graphics stack to which tool should start up system services. There's even less internal consistency…

I bought a 2017 ThinkPad for $100 and installed Linux on it. It's quite good. I would never use it as a daily driver though. I love macOS too much, even with all its flaws. But I try to do as much development in Linux as possible (whether on a device, in a VM or on a remote machine). I feel like every dev tool I install on Mac is more technical debt that I need to pay for each time I update the surrounding OS.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by chatmasta »

lloeki wrote: post #595
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

> I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. In a way it's a bit of a philosophical standpoint: macOS is the whole indivisible thing developed, built, and released in lockstep, kinda like FreeBSB base is the whole indivisible thing developed, built, and released in lockstep (and the rest is ports). In a way, removing tcsh from a FreeBSD install because you only ever use bash from ports…

Yeah, I get that, but I think there could be a middleground. They could ship all their apps as a bundle, and their raw base OS separately.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by bastardoperator »

maleldil wrote: post #541
SwiftyBug wrote: post #493

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I didn't even know Homebrew ran on Linux. Why do you choose Homebrew for your Linux distro instead of its default package manager?

More recent packages, for one. I need to use Ubuntu 20.04 for work, and it's easier to get the latest versions I want from linuxbrew than from apt. E.g. clang is on 10.0 from apt and 16.0 from brew. Similarly, fish is 3.1.0 vs 3.6.1.

This is my exact use case. I need up to date software and I don't want to wait for a package or roll my own package.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by johnsea »

walteweiss wrote: post #539
johnsea wrote: post #439

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I am glad that there are people like Max Howell who write such (for me) great package managers. In opposite to what you write, here in a quote reply he comes across as very friendly: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejectin... PS: if really a lot of Googlers use brew I hope they also generously support the project (do. Apple)

Great as in ‘I’ve never tried anything else’ great?

choco, apt, zypper, MacPorts
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