Forums should be owned by individuals and scattered all around the web.
If the State doesn't intervene I think we will go back to a more sane, free internet very soon
Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#622It’s fun to consider this from his perspective. He has essentially pushed all-in on this and now he has no way of backing out. If this is all about getting ready for IPO, then he can’t back out, because that would show potential future investors that he is not in control of policy changes, and that means that when shareholders want to crank up the money making machine, they can’t. At the same time, he needs to show t…
If the customers can shut down the company arbitrarily, then what's the point of investing in it? Of course they should make it a rule that mods are not allowed to shut down their main channels. Otherwise, Reddit should IPO and then demand that all users buy a share. Users who don't are deleted. Then let the shareholders-users figure out how to make good on their investment
Or they could hire the mods, like some other sides do? The mods here are regular users, which also means (by Reddits own terms and rules) that they can do whatever they want with their subs. That also means shutting or locking them down. If they were on the payroll, that would not be an option.
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#623Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But Christian took this very personally, and he decided to take his toys and go home. I mean wouldn't you? He's built an app that brings him a decent income, he can work on it full time, he based his career on that application. What reaction would you expect out of f.e. youtubers when youtube made it suddenly unable for them to sustain themselves? I mean basing your life/income/business on another business is never…
Im not sure what I would do. But I do know that if I reacted similarly, by posting all of the private meetings and communications to the public web, where I knew a hornet's nest would be stirred up (his subreddit obviously), I can't expect much of a relationship with reddit to survive after the fact. I can understand how he feels, but he had to know that this would happen. > I think he has all the rights to be angry…
> Im not sure what I would do. But I do know that if I reacted similarly, by posting all of the private meetings and communications to the public web, where I knew a hornet's nest would be stirred up (his subreddit obviously), I can't expect much of a relationship with reddit to survive after the fact.
I mean, in his message he said as much. But at that point, r/spez was slandering him anyhow, so he knew he was out either way.
Might as well set the record straight first.
> Yup, I totally agree, and I sympathize with him. Hes in a bad spot, but unfortunately, theres not much he can do anymore unless reddit changes their mind.
It's a hard lesson that's been learned over and over. If you don't control your platform, ultimately you're at the mercy of the people who do.
Something iOS and Android app creators, and Windows application developers have had to learn over the years.
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#624Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's going to sound dumb, but honestly? I filled an rss reader up with some of the best sources I could think of, and am actually really enjoying just quietly taking the world in again, instead of trying to come up with my latest snarky Reddit-friendly quip.
I've actually been wanting to do this, but I don't personally know a lot of good sources that still use RSS. Would love to see your feed list.
You can use emails to rss services as sources. I do that for everyone that asks for my email to keep me “updated”.
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#625It’s fun to consider this from his perspective. He has essentially pushed all-in on this and now he has no way of backing out. If this is all about getting ready for IPO, then he can’t back out, because that would show potential future investors that he is not in control of policy changes, and that means that when shareholders want to crank up the money making machine, they can’t. At the same time, he needs to show t…
Agreed. Seems to me that the whole thing is about getting good growth numbers on paper before the IPO. He’s not interested in the long term success of the platform, but trying to get a successful exit.
It’s funny - he is part of the founding team and had been working on Reddit for 18 years. Maybe his just tired of it all and wants to do something else, so the IPO can not come soon enough He must have cared about the user and the platform at some point, or else we wouldn’t have gotten this far Or who knows - maybe there’s been a power shift at Reddit that made what we’re seeing possible…
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are Reddit users waiting in the wings, wringing their hands ready to jump at the 'oppurtunity' to moderate established subreddits and will happily devote their time to custodial duties. (...) There are people who thrive on having power over others even though in this case, subreddit moderation, it is perceived power. Yes. Those are the very people who should be never ever allowed to become mods, or to be anyw…
> Yes. Those are the very people who should be never ever allowed to become mods, or to be anywhere near any position of power. Who do you think the existing mods are?
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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#627Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…
They have actually flirted with this idea. The Love Island subreddit last year was co-moderated by both volunteers and the show's social media team. But that didn't continue this year.
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#628Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Those are the very people who should be never ever allowed to become mods, or to be anywhere near any position of power Okay. How about AI as the new mod then?
Bots creating content . Bots moderating content to fit corporate agenda. Clueless users consuming streamlined content. That would be a perfect circle.
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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#629It’s fun to consider this from his perspective. He has essentially pushed all-in on this and now he has no way of backing out. If this is all about getting ready for IPO, then he can’t back out, because that would show potential future investors that he is not in control of policy changes, and that means that when shareholders want to crank up the money making machine, they can’t. At the same time, he needs to show t…
If the customers can shut down the company arbitrarily, then what's the point of investing in it? Of course they should make it a rule that mods are not allowed to shut down their main channels. Otherwise, Reddit should IPO and then demand that all users buy a share. Users who don't are deleted. Then let the shareholders-users figure out how to make good on their investment
All companies depend on their customers, that's not a reddit only thing. If Coca-Cola pisses of their customers, they'll go to Pepsi in the blink of an eye.
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#630Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes. Those are the very people who should be never ever allowed to become mods, or to be anywhere near any position of power. Who do you think the existing mods are?
> Who do you think the existing mods are? I am. I moderate my local city subreddit. All I do is remove surveys and point people seeking housing to the megathread. (We're a university town, so lots of students seek people willing to fill in badly designed questionaires.) Yes, the biggest subreddits will always have a number of power tripping mods. But the vast majority of subreddits have a stable mod team putting in a…
You are the exception, not the rule. Overzealous or corporate owned reddit mods already killed the site for a lot of people. I feel bad for the mods of smaller communities, but I have no sympathy for most. I'm glad that people like you are walking away, you can make some other part of the internet a better place, or better yet, you can now devote your efforts to making some real place better.