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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by [deleted] »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #542
anigbrowl wrote: post #500

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Why are you pretending that this isn't confusing to newbies? You are the archetypal technical person snapping about the workaround instead of engaging with the user problem. If everyone can have access to all the content (which is what most people want), why are they being herded into choosing an instance in the first place? Federation might run 100x better if instances were suggested based on geographic proximity ra…

> Why are you pretending that this isn't confusing to newbies? I'm not. Absolutely the onboarding experience can be improved. The problem is you're losing the plot, here. The original commenter complained about having to "read up on what rights server admins have over my account, why I should choose one versus another, which servers are de-federating which others, et cetera." But you don't have to do that if you don'…

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by seydor »

pseudalopex wrote: post #601
seydor wrote: post #253

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only a handful of subscribers voted in each of these polls. And we know that the most motivated people cared enough to vote, the vast majority of people do not care about this There were a lot of people protesting the protest in r/modCoord but they started banning them

Polls I saw were very active for their groups. People who opposed going private has equal opportunity to vote. People who abstained abstained. More important votes are decided all the time by the people who cared enough to vote. r/modCoord has negative comments minutes to days old. Criticism is not banned evidently. How did the banned protest the protest? Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their…

> Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind

No idea it is their channel

The issue is, they should not be allowed to coordinate site-wide. The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by bnralt »

molsongolden wrote: post #550
ryanSrich wrote: post #510

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“…but the moderation tools a lot of subreddits need are built into third-party apps because Reddit refuses to build mod tools itself” Why should the users care? Less moderation and more open speech would drastically improve most subreddits. This seems like it’s more and more just tantrum throwing from mods who almost feel embarrassed they’ve devoted thousands of hours of free work to a corporation that literally does…

> Less moderation and more open speech would drastically improve most subreddits. This just isn't true. Subreddits without moderators get buried in spam (both thinly veiled self-promotion and outright unrelated spam link dumping). (I've both moderated a small subreddit and tried to participate in subreddits with absent moderators.)

Every time I've participated in a small sub where the mod went AWOL it's been just fine. Often much better than your average Reddit sub.

You can even see this with smaller active subs that only have one moderator. The sub doesn't fill up with spam when the moderator is sleeping.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by FormerBandmate »

rakoo wrote: post #580
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #445

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> No, no. You lead with the benefits to the user. This isn't Github Seriously. Have a default server (or set of defaults) newbies dump into after completing a simple sign-up flow. Then let them move it as they benefit from the product and gain an incentive to learn about it. Reddit is up in arms about API pricing and mods. Do you think the average Reddit user would have signed up if they had to first jump through hoo…

> benefit from the product and gain an incentive > An infintessimal fraction of users care about philosophy or architecture [...] Users came for their cat pics. Give them their cat pics. Pitch them on the back end afterwards. I'm afraid you don't understand the concept of the fediverse. The philosophy is the point. Making reddit2 is completely useless. This is not a product, it's a vision of how we manage communicati…

This is a horrible way to get the mass market. It seems like a perfect way to recreate the issues with desktop Linux

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by idiotsecant »

seydor wrote: post #230
Maxburn wrote: post #78

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This is the thing I don't get, reddit is getting a heck of a free ride with all these mods. You'd think they would do everything within their power to enable them so why kick them in the nuts? Also the "power" users would probably be happy to pay reasonable prices to interact with it via app/api, so go ahead and charge something REASONABLE. There's something nefarious going on behind the scenes and it's all very susp…

Moderators are more than guilty of abusing their powers. Reddit should remove powers from them instead of enabling. They can easily find replacements

What you're saying here sounds to me like "I think the current moderators are bad, get rid of them all and get new ones who will be much better"

I have some ...doubts about how well something like this would work in practice. Burning large systems down and starting over is generally not more efficient than tweaking the system you have.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by bena »

darknavi wrote: post #125
bena wrote: post #43

All reddit has to do is remove the ability for subreddits to be private. Or put the ability to make subreddits private behind a paywall. Much like how Github treated private repos. End of the day, reddit is going to have to figure out how many users are willing to boycott. Moderators are one thing. They are a minority. But if they remove the ability for /r/funny to be private, would users honor the protest? The subs…

GitHub private repos are free now by the way.

Which is why I used the past tense.

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Post by Tainnor »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #624
rakoo wrote: post #580

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> benefit from the product and gain an incentive > An infintessimal fraction of users care about philosophy or architecture [...] Users came for their cat pics. Give them their cat pics. Pitch them on the back end afterwards. I'm afraid you don't understand the concept of the fediverse. The philosophy is the point. Making reddit2 is completely useless. This is not a product, it's a vision of how we manage communicati…

This is a horrible way to get the mass market. It seems like a perfect way to recreate the issues with desktop Linux

Some people like desktop Linux and don't care whether it's for the masses or not.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by sdfghswe »

dom96 wrote: post #275

I'm beginning to think that these kinds of "public utility" websites should be run by non-profits. Why is Wikipedia the only success story here?

I'm sure it's not the only reason, but one important reason is that because they don't get their revenue from selling ads, they resisted enshittification well.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by truemoose »

BashiBazouk wrote: post #194
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

The problem with the Fediverse as it currently stands is it goes against my long time use of forums. I'm usually only logged in on a desktop where I would post comments from. Most of my reading happens on pad, mobile or work where I have little desire to log in and in the case of a work computer I refuse to log in to anything personal. Kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing...

Not sure why you couldn't continue doing so with Lemmy. Like reddit, you only need an account to participate, not browse.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by nullityrofl »

2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #609
nullityrofl wrote: post #387

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Federated services will never become mainstream. This is just the reality that people need to come to accept. I find them heavily talked about in circles with my colleagues and in my profession but the attraction of decentralized services just isn't there for the vast majority of people. I find Lemmy frustrating to use and it isn't just growing pains: it's the same reason I find Mastodon frustrating. Do I care if use…

> I wish people would focus on building services that meet peoples needs No what you are presenting is an argument for services that meet the needs of dumbest assumable users and centralization. It's the same unreflected argument as has been repeated over and over when it comes to Mastodon and it boils down to "everyone needs to be there or else it's a failure". Services like that obviously are fine too, but there is…

It's ironic that I posted "federated services are difficult to engage with because the people designing and advocating for them are more interested in ramming an ideology down your throat and condescending you than they are providing a service" and a bunch of people responded by ramming their ideology down my throat and condescending me.

Yes, I acknowledge that not every service needs to be a mega service that everyone flocks to. Yes, I acknowledge that multiple products can exist than when combined replace a prior, larger service. Yes, I acknowledge that Lemmy, Mastodon, Diaspora or whatever else you like is great and fine for you and I'm happy for you and that's OK.

No, I don't think any of these services will realistically replace Reddit and I think that if Reddit dies then Digg 3.0 will spring up in it's place.

> It does not need the popularity of reddit to be valid.

I never said it was invalid. This isn't an attack on the technology. It's OK. You can calm down. It's my opinion that it isn't a drop-in replacement for Reddit and unlikely to see widespread adoption or prevent another Reddit from appearing.

It's like talking to Web3 zealots. I'm not attacking you, I promise.

> And it does not need to be designed explicitly for the layperson.

It does if it wants to be as useful as Reddit is today and Digg was before it or achieve the same popularity. You argue that we don't need a single service to be popular and that's OK but I live in reality.

You're comparing apples and oranges. You acknowledge that Lemmy does not attempt to be everything Reddit is today. I'm suggesting that that leaves a gap and people are interested in that gap.

People have become accustumed to having a single location to visit to obtain a depth of knowledge on a wide breadth of topics. I don't think, and I think you acknowledge, that Lemmy attempts to fill that need. And thus something like Reddit 2.0/Digg 3.0 will always exist.

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