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How the fuck is that even road legal?
There's plenty of vans that don't have any rear windows
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It might be "2 times as expensive" up front, but not for the TCO. People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation / alignment / rubber replacements, and air filters. Plus the electricity, in place of fuel. The savings add up significantly.
> People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. What people really need to do is the actual calculation, instead of saying things like "the Tesla will make it up over its lifespan". Will it, really? The difference between a model Y and Corolla is, what, $10k-15k? That is a huge difference to make up. Most of the maintenance requirements a ICE has are required by an EV, too (less oil chan…
You've expressed this idea about parts a few times in this thread, yet haven't actually proven that.
How about some comparisons of what some parts, common to both a Model Y and a Corolla, cost?
I'll give it a shot:
A control arm for a 2022 Model Y: about $150. A control arm for a 2022 Corolla: about $150.
Rear door window glass for a 2022 Model Y: about $190. Rear door window glass for a 2022 Corolla: about $190.
Hood for a 2022 Model Y: about $500. Hood for a 2022 Corolla: about $477.
I'm not even cherry picking - literally just thinking of a part and searching for prices. Without a doubt, there are parts on a Tesla that cost a lot more than the same part on a Corolla, but I haven't found them.
Point is: you're incorrect when you repeat the myth that Tesla parts are any more expensive than any other vehicle of the same model year. Most parts cost the same.
Bigger point: of the parts most frequently replaced on a ICE vehicle, the Tesla typically doesn't have those same parts. Fan belts, fuel injectors, timing belts, clutches, valves, alternators, and so on.
TL;DR People who buy a Tesla to "save money" are likely saving money.
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turbos are cheap and reliable, its very rare to see blown turbos on maintained non-modified cars with the exception of BMW putting them in the valley of the V8 engine and other idiotic designs. Most turbo failures are from not doing oil changes on time or crappy modified ECU tunes.
ICE engines are incredible feats of engineering. Meanwhile, you need 2, maybe 3 parts to make an electric motor. They are dead simple. Even the control is just an inverter drive. A turbo has about as many parts as the entire electric drivetrain. There's just a lot less to go wrong and you don't need lubrication or maintenance for solid-state non-moving parts.
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When my Kia went tits up I called every dealer I could (except Tesla) to try to get a car immediately . They all had months-long lead times. Tesla? I downloaded the app and bought the car as an in app purchase ; 7 days later I picked up the car from the lot & left. If I'd been willing to settle for a white 7-seater, I'd've been able to pick it up same day. What's the point of being a car dealer if you can't sell me a…
Interesting anecdote, but, uh, there were points where people were waiting for months to get their Tesla.
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you're not silent by the time you hit 60 even if it feels that way in the car. It makes a significant amount of noise at 30mph
> you're not silent by the time you hit 60 even if it feels that way in the car. It makes a significant amount of noise at 30mph Everything's relative, and relative to an ICE automobile executing a 3-second 0-60 time, an EV doing the same is silent. Silent enough to make the driver far more likely to do it and convince themselves they're doing it without being antisocial. But at this point you're just willfully ignor…
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Tesla isn’t a luxury brand. EV batteries introduce a price premium but the Model 3 is targeting Hyundai buyers not BMW buyers. Just look at the Ionic 5 price point.
The industry disagrees with you https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42938734/tesla-best-selli... https://www.kbb.com/car-news/tesla-is-americas-best-selling-... https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-y/ I don’t see Hyundais in Palo Alto. I see Teslas. Perhaps you consider valley middle class.
https://carbuzz.com/news/lucid-delays-production-says-tesla-...
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From what I remember, basically everything that isn't a phone or computer is on older process nodes that once were cutting edge. Some of these are so old that it doesn't make economic sense anymore to scale up capacity, or it might not even be possible anymore to easily do so. As a result you have production lines that were reasonably well suited for demand pre-covid, now having to deal with everyone stocking up on w…
Tesla rewrote their software to use newer chips as soon as the crisis hit. Toyota could have done that a long time ago (they know a thing or two about supply chain, don't they?) but they prefer to keep the shortage as an excuse for their poor sales performance.
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Because they live in an alternate dimension with a peculiar market that's kinda bubbled off. China is also like a decade ahead in electrification. All scooters in large cities have been electric for over a decade (its a weird time warp coming to taiwan and experiencing the stench of scooter on your morning commute) They had a fully electric taxi service about 7 years ago. Inside the city medium size trucks (for deliv…
Is Hackernews just getting overrun by pro-Xi commentators that make up whatever they want now? Chinese air pollution is ridiculous, and it's primarily because of their massive amount of vehicle emissions: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526014/
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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> That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a new car and have been pleasantly surprised at the breadth of offerings. My wife and I are in the market for a second car, after buying an ICE SUV at the beginning of the pandemic and having no car for 10 years before that (living in San Francisco). There’s a lot of options for a $40,000+ primary family car, but my i…
I always considered our Model 3 as a second car because we mostly just drove it for local errands and commuting, and I assumed it just didn't have the range to do more. We recently decided to use for a 2000+ mile road trip instead of using our ICE minivan, and I was blown away with how well the Tesla did as a long road trip vehicle. We had no range anxiety because of the Super Charger network, and stopping to charge…