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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by iudqnolq »

sowbug wrote: post #450
pentagrama wrote: post #437

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I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

Arrests sure better be public record in a free country.

The UK is a good example of a generally* similarly free country without guaranteed public access to arrest records. This balances the potential benefit to the public from knowing against the definite harm to the accused.

(*There are definitely significant ways each is less free than the other and there's no rigorous way to say which is worse)

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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PaulWaldman wrote: post #138

It sounds like this information wasn't released publicly by the local authorities. The article has a link to a LinkedIn profile. The writer indicates that the name and city of the LI profile matches the information on the person they were "told" was arrested this morning. Even the name of the company of the person indicated is explicitly referenced in the article. My professional world doesn't allow for ambiguity. As…

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

Waterluvian wrote: post #457
sowbug wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arrests sure better be public record in a free country.

It’s fundamental to the principles of habeas corpus that the overwhelming power of the government to arrest, prosecute, and imprison someone be wielded in broad daylight.

Not everyone needs to know for habeas corpus to work. Narrow lamplight can be just as efficacious.

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Post by dmode »

dekhn wrote: post #614
el_benhameen wrote: post #431

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I don’t live in SF, but I live nearby and take my kids there for outings pretty frequently. The news reports and anecdotes have made me a little wary of these outings, but our actual experiences never have. I don’t doubt that others have very different, equally valid experiences of the city, and I do hate to see the abject misery that’s on full display in some neighborhoods. But I’ve never felt unsafe there in the 30…

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I take my kids there all the time as well. There are so many fun kids things to do - Exploratorium, GG Park, Cal Academy, Tunnel Tops park, Presidio, Crissy Field, GG bridge, Ocean Beach etc. etc. Stop falling for nonsense tropes

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by 93po »

jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

No one had a problem dismissing Seth Rich as a random murder. People just believe what fits their narrative.

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Post by kornhole »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

I never believed the original assumption in stories. I am skeptical of what I read. Random murders are very rare. He was running a crypto company. Crypto space has plenty of shady things and people.

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Post by renlo »

timmytokyo wrote: post #488
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #230

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> This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. It seems equally weird to me that so many people are taking this anecdote as a sort of proof that San Francisco does not have a crime problem. Focusing on individual anecdotes and swinging from one conclusion to anothe…

Every major city has a crime problem and always has. The question is whether the situation is being blown out of proportion by sensationalist media or people with axes to grind. For a group that claims to be so rational, much of the HN crowd commenting here does seem to be averse to relying upon actual data.

Anecdotally whenever I hear a SF resident say the "crime problem is overblown", they almost always live in the nicer areas where there's virtually no crime. I lived on the border of the Tenderloin years ago, and saw things that I've never seen anywhere else. I knew a guy who was murdered in the Polk Gulch, I had my car broken into (and rummaged through multiple times after I started leaving the door unlocked), I had to physically assert myself with my friend to not seem like a target when a man brandishing a metal rod was eyeing us suspiciously, I stepped on a used hyperdermic needle which pierced my shoe but luckily did not prick me ... this is only what comes to mind at the moment as a write this, but I'm sure there's more incidents I experienced that I could conjure after some reflection. Is my experience anecdotal? Sure, but I lived it. Your experience with the city has likely been a much better one, free from such disturbing experiences. Does that mean I didn't experience this though? Or that it is "overblown"?

tldr; I lived in SF but now happily live in New York.

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jeffbee wrote: post #484
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Mission Local is great. We are blessed with a wealth of local journalism like Mission Local, Cityside, even SF Standard if I hold my nose about the fact that it is controlled by a reactionary political movement. It is why I never understood the whining about "support your local newspaper". There's no chance of me ever subscribing to the Chronicle. I donate to these other, better news outlets instead.

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Post by njstraub608 »

curo wrote: post #549

Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew." There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to…

The LLC isn't inactive, you just found the wrong one. EXPAND IT INC (4776106) is registered to the proper address. Guessing the website is down from traffic.

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Post by JimDabell »

timmytokyo wrote: post #488
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. It seems equally weird to me that so many people are taking this anecdote as a sort of proof that San Francisco does not have a crime problem. Focusing on individual anecdotes and swinging from one conclusion to anothe…

Every major city has a crime problem and always has. The question is whether the situation is being blown out of proportion by sensationalist media or people with axes to grind. For a group that claims to be so rational, much of the HN crowd commenting here does seem to be averse to relying upon actual data.

> Every major city has a crime problem and always has.

This isn’t true.

The idea that cities must inherently have crime problems is a form of learned helplessness. You think they must have crime problems because it’s all you’ve ever experienced. Try visiting a city that has low crime, like Singapore or Tokyo.

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