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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ornornor »

eatfish wrote: post #569
ornornor wrote: post #531

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> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. Except when they’re not and Apple tries very hard to bury the problem while the machine is still relevant, so your choices are either to pay for (expensive) repairs out of pocket or dump it and buy a different model. Then years later once the machine is obsolete for most, will they finally give in and offer a free repair to the lucky ones who have been left holding…

You forgot the stage light effect. Mysteriously Apple give a free fix/service program for the 13" models but not the 15" models. Kind of sucks if you had a 15" model that started to go bad.

I gave up apple computers a long time ago so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot of these ignored issues. It illustrates my point though.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by FireBeyond »

havblue wrote: post #591
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My own personal anecdote is that I spilled a trivial amount of booze on my MacBook 9 years ago and was left with the option of whether I wanted to replace the entire lower case. While it was my fault for drinking and computing, I just see it as being an expensive device to maintain when you accidentally damage it. I'd rather play a lower stakes game with a cheaper pr…

Yup. Stepdaughter spilt a small amount of water on hers. It worked fine, plugged in, but the spill had damaged the charging circuitry. Laptop even showed the battery as healthy. Just couldn't be charged.

Take it in, thinking okay, maybe $300 for parts and labor.

Hah, no. "So we're looking at $950..."

followed by the Apple guy then saying "How about we look at getting you into a new MacBook instead?"

Nah. It worked fine, and was mostly attached to her desk and digital piano, and continued to work just fine on AC power.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by lamontcg »

carlmr wrote: post #407
giantrobot wrote: post #388

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I can pay my non-imaginary taxes with dollars. All my other bills also helpfully accept dollars. This gives dollars a useful non-imaginary quality crypto does not have.

It's still imaginary. It's belief-based. Just living in the imaginary world of a lot more people than crypto.

You could in fact try to opt-out of participating in the US economy even if you live here. That would be very difficult though.

Generally at some point a person wants to get some goods and services from their neighbors and barter only goes so far.

The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by jcadam »

The ARM chips had me seriously considering a mac for the first time in years. I was seriously thinking about an M2 MBA or 13" MBP - but the price to get either of those (or really any Mac) outfitted with a decent amount of RAM is obscene.

So, I just picked up a refurb 13" XPS with 32GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD from the Dell Outlet for under a thousand bucks and slapped Ubuntu on it. A similarly appointed MBP 13 would have been over double the cost.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by astrange »

lalhadudki wrote: post #599
astrange wrote: post #566

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Thinking "BRICS" exists is a red flag for contrarianism. China and India are literally in a shooting war at their border. The term was invented by Goldman Sachs. It's not an alliance.

Not quite shooting. They are actually not given guns so they have to fist it out. Just a little bit of theater for those provinces. To think that would stop them from commercing with each other is wishful thinking

Huh, I knew there had been actual deaths but not that it was hand to hand combat…

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by FireBeyond »

layer8 wrote: post #457
wkat4242 wrote: post #427

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The euro is above the dollar again so that point doesn't really fly anymore.

Apple only adjusts the prices once per year per product, at most.

Yup, at most. They're still selling my 2019 Mac Pro configured the way I have it (12 core, 192GB, 8TB, W5700X 16GB) for $13,000, just as it was in 2019...

... and if I go to trade it in, they'll give me $850 for it ...

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Post by Retric »

smoldesu wrote: post #575
dimmke wrote: post #527

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I guess I got lucky too. Because I bought a 2012 MBP (the first generation that had the HiDPI Retina displays) and it lasted me over 6 years of daily, hard use. It was still in decent condition but my job at the time got me one of the newer ones. Of course, that one had the bad keyboard and had to be swapped. 2016-2020 the dark ages but outside of that 4 year period (that Apple has firmly reversed course on), Apple's…

The #1 thing preventing Apple from getting into S-tier is user-serviceable storage. Baking on the memory? It's frustrating and gimps the device lifespan, but arguably unavoidable with the bandwidth Apple is targeting. Without replaceable storage though, every Apple Silicon device is effectively a ticking time-bomb. These devices will all hit their TBW limit long before they're unusable, and Apple refused to anticipat…

High speed internet has largely rendered local storage obsolete for most users.

However, Apple’s base model is frankly silly. A solid 2TB NVME drive is only 150$, slapping the equivalent of 20$ worth of storage on a 1,500$ laptop is crazy.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by jedberg »

runjake wrote: post #503
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

> All of these devices basically sat on a desk in a ~68F office most of the time.

That's the problem. You need to discharge the battery once in a while or it builds up gas and expands. I had a 2015 that was perfect until I stopped going anywhere in March 2020. So I basically didn't unplug it for a year, and then the battery got explodey.

So now that I still work at home, I make sure to unplug my laptop once in a while just to drain it down a bit.

Edit: Not sure why I'm getting downvoted here. You still need to unplug your older Macs that don't have the software and firmware updates that do this automatically now.

I'm simply pointing out why OP had battery problems.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by jcadam »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time.

In my experience, this was true during the 68k and PPC days, but after the x64 transition quality went downhill, fast.

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