I think the main question is: Why does Trump get indicted and Bush does not? The answer could be: Bush did a crime that supported some of the elite's supposed interests, while Trump demystified the president's role, which is clearly against the interests of "the elite", if you want to call it like that. In my opinion, war crimes are far worse than not declaring hush money correctly, but everybody has their own priorities.
Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
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Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#622Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worse. As many have pointed out: "If he gets arrested, he's your next president." Wouldn't be the first leader whose arrest led to raging popularity and revolt.
Prominent Republicans (like John Bolton) have claimed that Democrats are intentionally targetting Trump to increase his popularity with his base so that he'll definately become the nominee and then be easy to beat. Whether you believe that or not, its wild that we're in such a position that claims like that could be made.
Democrats explicitly had commercials pumping up Trump aligned Republicans in Senate primary races in swing states because Democrats thought they would be easier to defeat (they were right).
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#623I commented on my understanding of the situation on reddit a while ago. Copy/pasting here: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about their relationship. Paying her to stay silent is 100% legal, there is absolutely no issue with an NDA like that. The illegal part isn't the what, it's the how. Political campaigning laws set a limited budget for how much money you can spend on campaigning, which is defin…
Interestingly, I tried to Google one of the paragraphs from your paste and it returned no results. When I tried DuckDuckGo, only HN came up. I was curious what redditors thought of your response and what context it was made, but search engines seem to fall down on finding a great deal of what's been hidden on the Internet these days.
If you search for the entire 3rd paragraph and append 'reddit' on Google it is the first result. However, I agree with your point that search engines are performing poorly - obviously I was only able to get this to work because I already knew the answer.
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#624I commented on my understanding of the situation on reddit a while ago. Copy/pasting here: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about their relationship. Paying her to stay silent is 100% legal, there is absolutely no issue with an NDA like that. The illegal part isn't the what, it's the how. Political campaigning laws set a limited budget for how much money you can spend on campaigning, which is defin…
Interestingly, I tried to Google one of the paragraphs from your paste and it returned no results. When I tried DuckDuckGo, only HN came up. I was curious what redditors thought of your response and what context it was made, but search engines seem to fall down on finding a great deal of what's been hidden on the Internet these days.
I expect that's because the post itself was deleted. Also, deleted threads don't get much traction, so Reddit didn't have much to say on the topic :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/11xfj6m/...
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#625NY grand juries (regular people) do all of the actual work without prompting from the DA.
The only thing the DA does is provide witnesses and physical evidence and read the laws relating to the evidence.
The grand jury asks all the questions of the witnesses and reviews all the evidence.
Then they vote to indict or not in private. The DA asks if they voted and how. They report their votes.
At no point is the DA coercing anyone to vote a certain way, which would be illegal. At no point are jurors discussing the case with anyone outside the jury room (also illegal).
The rumors are there are dozens of indictments, each one based on evidence and witness testimony.
There’s this huge cloud of politicization over this, but the reality is Trump, his attorney, and possibly others committed crimes and this grand jury is holding him accountable.
As law-abiding citizens, is this not what we expect and has it not been the foundation of our judicial system for 247 years?
Or is a former president simply immune from our laws and judicial processes?
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#626I commented on my understanding of the situation on reddit a while ago. Copy/pasting here: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about their relationship. Paying her to stay silent is 100% legal, there is absolutely no issue with an NDA like that. The illegal part isn't the what, it's the how. Political campaigning laws set a limited budget for how much money you can spend on campaigning, which is defin…
Interestingly, I tried to Google one of the paragraphs from your paste and it returned no results. When I tried DuckDuckGo, only HN came up. I was curious what redditors thought of your response and what context it was made, but search engines seem to fall down on finding a great deal of what's been hidden on the Internet these days.
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Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#627Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know. It feels a lot like the indictment of Al Capone. His lawyers were always concentrating on the big picture but they ignored the small stuff and the government was able to catch him on tax evasion. Getting indictment of any sort can lead to larger ones.
I see this alot. Donald Trump isn't Al Capone,and the analogy fails enormously. Donald Trump is a former president of the United States. He's beloved by his base in quasi-religious way, even across the globe. Italy had parade with a "God-emperor Trump". Trump cannot be treated with like Al Capone. He has run as the anti-establishment candidate, and by god you better have a bulletproof case on him or you have just ang…
> Donald Trump isn't Al Capone
https://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-twitter-comparing-himse...
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#628I commented on my understanding of the situation on reddit a while ago. Copy/pasting here: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about their relationship. Paying her to stay silent is 100% legal, there is absolutely no issue with an NDA like that. The illegal part isn't the what, it's the how. Political campaigning laws set a limited budget for how much money you can spend on campaigning, which is defin…
The difficulty here, as I understand it, is that Trump could have plenty of reasons for paying off someone, not all of which are to do with political campaigning. For instance, he could argue that he paid off SD to avoid damage to his relationship with his wife or family, and that it had nothing to do with his campaigning.
(In fact, you could argue that this defence is even stronger because he is Donald Trump. He has plenty of dedicated supporters who seem to stick with him regardless of his transgressions; accusations of infidelity might be less damaging to him politically than to other politicians!)
So, the prosecutors have to somehow convince a court what his intent really was, i.e. it's less about what he did and more about why he did it.
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#629Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah but they weren't being persecuted for obviously political reasons. Usually the ruling class avoids eating their own because they know then that the guillotine can come for them. But in this case, Trump is too much of a danger to the war-machine establishment. Hillary paid for the Steele Dossier and improperly reported it and was fined for it. They didn't try to press criminal charges against her for that or for…
> Did you notice how talk of Trump's crimes related to classified documents disappeared completely after Biden was found with improperly handled classified documents? Well, it could also be because Biden's discovery (a) was smaller and self-reported, (b) his legal team helped in resolving the situation, AND (c) the documents have been recovered in both cases and the ball is now in competent authority's court. It's li…
> self-reported
IIRC the first instance wasn't, it was the second and third that were afterwards.
Also the FBI knew about and helped secure the documents Trump had before they were "discovered".
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#630I commented on my understanding of the situation on reddit a while ago. Copy/pasting here: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about their relationship. Paying her to stay silent is 100% legal, there is absolutely no issue with an NDA like that. The illegal part isn't the what, it's the how. Political campaigning laws set a limited budget for how much money you can spend on campaigning, which is defin…
If this is the case, it seems to be a _relatively_ technical breach of the rules. Maybe intent would get to the heart of the matter. I'm no expert, but it's surprising to me that they would indict a previous president over this with all of the ramifications.