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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by JanneVee »

autophagian wrote: post #478
JanneVee wrote: post #413

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> I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really understands, but that it won't matter much. Really? If you have a million dollar bug because of one edge case and you are going to go to your AI and ask it to try again?

I've had experience lately of getting GPT4 to output some code, I notice there's a bug, I point out the bug (not even 'it's at this line with this variable', but just that it exists) and, yes, it does fix successfully fix it. So, yes, I think that's likely.

Well that required you to understand the code. My reply is disbelief off codebases that no one understands in the near term when looking at the current output. People don't trust the output and do what you did, review it and catch the potential bug before going further with it.

The issue take with it is that we are able to trust the output of AI models as we trust the output of optimizing compilers. It isn't even close that we can just fire and forget the prompt like I can code up something and trust that it 99,999% the optimizer produces the desired binary that works as intended.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by no_time »

runnerup wrote: post #3

People with a good understanding of different styles of art and framing/angles/etc should be able to create the "right" prompts for a customer much much faster and get better results than people who don't know art. Generative AI like Midjourney will completely upend the art industry (it already is). But I don't think it's the death knell for the study of art. Here's a solid example of that in the context of creating…

>I have no idea who Charles Sheeler is. But if someone knows 1,500 different artists/photographers/genres/styles and the nuances of them, they can immediately select the right look for the client

Don't overthink it. The SD GUI I've seen people use has a button that appends a random artists name at the end of the prompt. You mash that button until you are satisfied with the style.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by anonyfox »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #525
anonyfox wrote: post #394

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I cannot imagine being rich and be surrounded by homeless people, crime, drugs and the like. The only „solution“ that still avoids realizing the problem is to try to escape into gated communities and shoot those plebs coming too close, ideally robots so no human is at fault conveniently. Or what useful is having that mercedes when most others want to steal or at least damage it? I, for one, prefer to treat other huma…

> The only „solution“ that still avoids realizing the problem is to try to escape into gated communities and shoot those plebs coming too close, ideally robots so no human is at fault conveniently. Or what useful is having that mercedes when most others want to steal or at least damage it? You say this like it shows how it's not a plausible outcome or shows the error of this path, but unfortunately that's exactly the…

The great thing about fascism (the extreme form of conservativsm when going more rightwing) is that it’s always a matter of in-group vs out-group, THE stereotype of thinking of the right-wingers.

Like, we have the true values and they are immoral. This thinking naturally Leads of subselects within the in-group that are even more true than the others… and it gets recursively smaller going towards fascism.

So ultimately you end up with a tiny in-group (the führers are now some billionaires), that still want to backstab the others secretly, who become paranoid over time, isolate themselves to minimize contact with these lesser human beings left behind… and loose touch with reality.

this is where it ends, usually, one way or another.

But the important part is that it actually DOESNT MATTER what they think - at some point people are frustrated enough and simply take it all away from them… the tipping point is when even public security staff (like police) is willing to let it happen - mostly to reduce suffering from family/friends/… .

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by OOPMan »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #259
bruce511 wrote: post #213

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When electric sound amplification came along, it put most professional musicians out of business. Instead of an orchestra all you need is a band of 3 or 4. Making music expanded though. In the sense that more people played, there was more variety, and indeed more professional musicians today than 100 years ago. (the bar for entry is also lower, and most are permantly broke - take that as you will.) Some orchestras st…

It’s nice that the barrier became lower but people still need jobs to afford food and rent. I doubt that UBI will come anytime soon so less jobs that pay enough is a serious issue.

Agreed. It feels like a lot of the people burning hard on AI seem to think that when the jobs are gone some benevolent benefactors (who exactly?) will decide to institute UBI for all because....why exactly?

It seems much more likely to me that all that will happen is there will be a lot more poor people...

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by vasili111 »

grumbel wrote: post #503
habibur wrote: post #447

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And then industrial revolution didn't take out jobs, rather created more. So did computers in the 80s and 90s. I remember typesetters in our locality were protesting in the 80s that computers were taking off their jobs. They started something like "burn the computers" movement. More people were later employed as composers than there were typesetters.

> And then industrial revolution didn't take out jobs It absolutely did take jobs. It's just that the job loss in one area was compensated by the growth in other areas. However hoping that it'll be the same with AI is incredible naive. The job shift in the industrial revolution was possible since there were still lots of tasks left that the machines couldn't do. The areas that can't be done by a machine now are drama…

Robotics is far from replacing carpenters, plumbers and etc. They maybe are showing acrobatics and may even replace soon soliders in some cases. But repairing something requires effort that will be magnitudes higher.

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Post by HervalFreire »

orbital-decay wrote: post #609
HervalFreire wrote: post #558

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Train the AI exclusively on well lauded texts. Then you can get a generative AI that moves people. The problem with "reverse engineering people" is that you don't need to, the things they like in any era follows predictable and generic patterns. These patterns can be encoded into AI provided we find enough curated training data. > The hard part is to make the artists do exactly what you want, down to the subtle but m…

> The problem with "reverse engineering people" is that you don't need to, the things they like in any era follows predictable and generic patterns. These patterns can be encoded into AI provided we find enough curated training data. That only works to a certain degree. For the infamous example, try making GPT output the correct number of asterisks, you will get mixed results. You don't have any problem with typing e…

The asterisks thing is another issue. LLMs don't need to do this to replace directors.

>Yes, this is what I mean by the limited capacity of a simple textual description. It's a fundamental limitation - natural language is just poorly suited for the detailed conceptualization.

Except LLMs can accept sketches as input. The higher order methods of communication are covered by encoders.

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Post by cthalupa »

vasco wrote: post #597
cthalupa wrote: post #512

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You could say this about every efficiency improvement in any field ever. If everything still had to be written in C and we didn't have fancy IDEs and access to a vast ocean of libraries, cheap services doing the work for you and returning results over an API, etc., we would need many many many times over more software devs to have everything software based in the world that we do now. But do you think if none of thes…

Do you think it takes as many people to build whatever software you want today vs in the 80s? I agree more software can be built with the improvements, but per unit of functionality, way less people are needed, or they can do it much faster, which in both cases mean you spend less of your revenue on labor, which means "less jobs".

>which in both cases mean you spend less of your revenue on labor, which means "less jobs".

You can't view things in the void like this, though. Reducing the overall cost of doing something makes it viable for more businesses, which means more jobs. We have more jobs in software development overall now because of how much more productive it is today, which opens up so many more viable use cases for it. We have more CG artists for movies, games, etc. now in large part because more efficient workflows and more powerful software have increased productivity.

Will it be the same thing with generative AI? I think so, at least for the foreseeable future.

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Post by luckylion »

Julesman wrote: post #601
luckylion wrote: post #287

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You can replace "Startup culture" with "Modernity" and it reads like many conservatives' feelings about progressive culture. I don't think anyone has ever cared about that, and I don't see why that should be changed because it now affects different people.

Not a solid read on my comment, but it's an interesting point. Sensitivity to those left behind as conservative defense of tradition. I want every coal miner to lose their job. Every last one. That would be a fantastic thing and a necessary thing. That doesn't mean I want those people to suffer. We can help them out. We can give them assistance and job training. In other words we can embrace the future without being…

> In other words we can embrace the future without being cruel.

That's not "progress is necessary good". We're forming the future, our choices define the future, we're not damned to be powerless and either embrace what cannot be changed or suffer from resisting that which cannot be stopped.

Right now, lots of people are having their first experience that not all progress is necessarily good. It's fun to watch how they suddenly change their tune, much like banks when they need another bailout, and they start talking about "what's good for society" a lot.

> As far as affecting different people, LLMs are about to squish the middle class.

I'll believe it when I see it. We were promised widespread unemployment thanks to robotics, too.

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Post by HervalFreire »

juvvel wrote: post #567
HervalFreire wrote: post #552

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Naw there are many possible futures. There is nothing saying the trendline is absolute. However... The future predicted via extrapolation of a trendline is unfortunately more probable and more realistic then a future predicted via mistrust of AI. Artists have already formed lawsuits against companies that own LLMs, this one in the article already involves an artist complaining about his job being more or less replace…

Oh, I do believe programming as a profession is at risk and will change a lot, if not rendered obsolete. What I'm talking about is this idea of "just get used to the fact that there is no human skill that won't be replicable by AI in 2-10 years". It's a very bleak view of the future and our own biological complexity. We need to remember that we are the ones inventing the AI in the first place. We are limited by our i…

Not everything will be replaced, but you can extrapolate that much of what we do will be replaced.

The thing that is harder to replace is the versatility of the human form. Manual labor can't fully be replaced because robotics have yet to catch up.

>there's no need to reject the inherent value of humanity

There's no fundamental rejection here. Capitalism simply selects the most efficient methodology. If humans arent the most efficient methodology for a given task then capitalism eliminated that methodology. That's the logical extrapolation. You subjective opinions on humanities worth is irrelevant to the most likely outcome.

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Post by amelius »

ben_w wrote: post #591
amelius wrote: post #569

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> I find it curious that even here there are people who conflate a robot body with an artificial mind. You are trying to read things in my comment that are not there. It's _not_ about destroying the actual machine. It's about drawing a line.

> Well, I can tell you that the first time I see some sufficiently advanced AI walking in the streets between the public, I will grab my baseball bat and smash it to pieces. Describing an AI walking the streets, or smashing it to pieces, necessarily carries with it the implication that the AI is located within a physical body that moves on legs. And those words you used are very explicitly about destroying an actual…

Huh? Of course I understand that they have a backup somewhere. Whether I destroy the CPU or the actuators or some other hardware is not relevant as long as my statement is clear.
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