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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by vladvasiliu »

stonogo wrote: post #435
vladvasiliu wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? MS puts out debs and rpms for teams: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/download-app

Those were EOLed last year. Microsoft's current guidance is to use the PWA in Chrome or Edge. https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien... It's easy to miss, because it was only posted to the Office365 Message Center, and not announced anywhere else. Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32678839

Huh, didn't know that. Although the old client still works well, and I actually like the meeting screen better, since it allows me to set the incoming video to full screen, which works great for screen sharing.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by sgerenser »

hboon wrote: post #573
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

I remember the first 1-2 years after the iPhone was released, I see Microsoft employees (I mostly see sales and presales folks) using their iPhones under the table or when the meeting attendees from other companies aren't around. Heard they were supposed to use them. Says something.

Ballmer famously grabbed an employees iPhone and pretended to stomp on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/ballmer-snatches-microsoft-e...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by lmm »

evancox100 wrote: post #135
creshal wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fairly sure Microsoft doesn't even have the ambition to make it profitable. Like Youtube for Google, or costco hotdogs, it's to get a foot in the door (or rather, customers' feet in your doors) to upsell people on all your other products.

Why do you think YouTube isn’t profitable? Plenty of ads in it and bringing in something like $15 bln/year in revenue. Don’t know exactly the COGS, etc., but hard to say they aren’t making money. Android is probably a much better example than YouTube.

YouTube was burning money for years. They might actually be making money now with the rise in memberships and superchats (and more aggressive ads), but it took what, ten years to get there?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by dbg31415 »

Teams 4-5 years ago was a nightmare.

It's still rough, compared to Slack or Discord.

But it's not like... "Get a notification on your laptop and then get another on your phone for the same event that you can't clear until you look at your phone" bad... like it used to be.

I don't know... like I did like hitting "Join Meeting" right from Outlook, and having that work.

Slack is fine, but it's tedious to integrate with Outlook or Google Calendar. "Go to the Teams Channel and Join the Hangout" is a lot worse than just clicking, "Join Meeting."

But the posts says both will stay in use? That seems like the worst option.

Switching off Slack too... so tedious to setup all those integrations again with Teams (some of which won't work). Just all of it seems foolish.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by hboon »

hboon wrote: post #573
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

I remember the first 1-2 years after the iPhone was released, I see Microsoft employees (I mostly see sales and presales folks) using their iPhones under the table or when the meeting attendees from other companies aren't around. Heard they were supposed to use them. Says something.

Too late to edit. Should be:

> Heard they weren't supposed to use them.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by apple4ever »

luckman212 wrote: post #584
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

It's boring reading comments like these. Really? 2.5 years of " nothing but poor experiences"? I have to ask: what the hell is wrong with your computer? I started using Teams heavily in 2020 and yes, back then it was unequivocally the worst of the bunch. But I've seen it make great strides, and it's been many months, perhaps years since I've really had any problems with it. Audio, video, screen sharing, PSTN dial-in,…

> what the hell is wrong with your computer?

Nothing, because Zoom works completely fine while Teams is always struggling to make a connection, keep a connection, have good quality video and audio, and well even OPEN. There is a persistent problem on Macs where Teams refuses to open unless you delete an obscure file.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by apple4ever »

samiru wrote: post #196
revscat wrote: post #147

To everyone at GitHub: I’m so sorry. I don’t mean this in a clever way, either. Teams is awful and it will make your lives worse to one degree or another.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

Google Chat isn't much better, so that's not saying much.

I do use Teams when a vender uses it, and it's just so so bad.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by apple4ever »

bombcar wrote: post #505
dbancajas wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the specific complaint against it? Better yet can you come up with tools that you use instead of Teams? Is it xoom? Slack? Discord? MS is not my favorite company but my MS Teams experience has been relatively smooth.

I am starting to fear that I am missing out on something major, because we've used Teams for years now and it works fine (on macOS) for what we do - basic chat, multiplayer powerpoint, some video calling, etc. Maybe it's a team size thing, and Teams just blows monkey chunks when you're one of fifty thousand employees at a company?

I don't know how on the Mac it works for you, because I've tried using it for years and its terrible on audio and video calling, and that's if it opens (which most of the time it doesn't, requiring removing some obscure cache file).

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by apple4ever »

samuria wrote: post #619
proamdev123 wrote: post #559

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Opposite experience: I use Teams every single workday and have never experienced the lagginess or laptop heating you describe. I’ve never heard of any coworkers having these issue either. It’s so strange that so many people can have completely different experiences with the same software.

I think it's also the varying differences of experience in using different tools/platforms to communicate. For example, someone coming from Zoom may notice how laggy Teams is compared to Zoom. I definitely felt this way, once I experienced the alternatives to Teams, I just couldn't wait to stop using it. Why does it need to have excel implemented into it? Why is the search function still there if it literally doesn't…

I think that's it. When you've used other better tools, you realize how bad Teams is.
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