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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by Vox_Leone »

fswd wrote: post #554
zone411 wrote: post #159

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Google definitely made a strategic mistake by being slow to react and only taking action late. But Bing only has a limited period of time before Google catches up, and it doesn't seem like it will be enough to take away significant marketshare.

It's even worse than this. Google's entire business was based on the browser search model. You want to know something, you opened your browser, then 100% of the time went to "google.com", searched, scroll,scroll,scroll,click and get a reward with your answer while seeing ads. Which pretty much describes a dopamine feedback loop. The problem isn't that they don't have a ChatGPT ready (they do -- and it's probably bett…

>>How are you going to sell ads to that? Imagine talking to a chat bot that tries to sell you a new refrigerator when you're asking about something else, awkward?

An obvious way to do that would be hijacking the user prompt and appending the advertiser keywords.

Search: 'Old Faithful'

Appended search: 'Old Faithful Moet&Chandon'

Output >>> Old Faithful is a cone geyser in Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming, United States. It was named in 1870 during the Washburn–Langford–Doane Expedition and was the first geyser in the park to be named. It pops like champagne in a highly predictable geothermal feature although not as deliciously as your Moet & Chandon. The geyser and the nearby Old Faithful Inn are part of the Old Faithful Historic District.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by ipaddr »

luckylion wrote: post #537
dharma1 wrote: post #434

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Yes - I’m more hopeful of LLMs (or whatever replaces them over time) getting more truthful and accurate sooner than we get rid of SEO spam. I would also imagine SEO spam gets worse soon with LLMs.

The incentives are very different. With SEO spam, you have a direct monetary incentive. More spam = more clicks = more money. With LLMs extracting information and answering questions without actually sending the user to the site ... what's the incentive to create low-accuracy content to be ingested, beyond "I want to mess with the data set"? I'm sure there will be a few people going down that route, but that needs a…

On that note where are they extracting new information from? If sites are never visited people will stop creating them

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by elorant »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

I believe that the answer is weak not because they don’t have a competing technology, but because they have to figure out how to implement it without breaking their business model. The way ChatGPT works so far there’s little room for ads. Microsoft can afford this because their main income stream is from other sources. Google lives and breathes from ads.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by fleddr »

I'm sure that if this works well, users will love it. It's the second-order effects I worry about.

A pretty existential one is that is bleeds the web dry. The AI is trained by a zillion websites but will never actually send you to it. It may not even know its direct sources. I think that's a pretty massive concern for anyone publishing on the web.

Another one is that the AI is pretty confidentially taking the role of the bringer of truth, rather than just a proxy to an end result. Not only may that truth be incorrect, it may also be subjective/politically tuned, plus a central owner is fully in charge of whatever is the truth.

Anyway, I'm sure "it'll be fine".

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by qu4z-2 »

rany_ wrote: post #501
layer8 wrote: post #115

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It won’t be limited to Edge. From the event: Q: Will this be available in Chrome or other browsers? Yusuf: Our intention is to bring it to all browsers. We're starting with Edge. Chrome has to implement some things to make it work, but our intention is all browsers.

> Chrome has to implement some things to make it work, but our intention is all browsers. Edge is literally just Chrome with a few addons bolted in.... Does anyone know what that "some things" is?

Bing Sponsored Offers?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by verdverm »

fleddr wrote: post #626

I'm sure that if this works well, users will love it. It's the second-order effects I worry about. A pretty existential one is that is bleeds the web dry. The AI is trained by a zillion websites but will never actually send you to it. It may not even know its direct sources. I think that's a pretty massive concern for anyone publishing on the web. Another one is that the AI is pretty confidentially taking the role of…

When I ask ChatGPT for links or "where can I learn more about this?", it has provided good references. Doesn't mean they are necessarily the exact references, it's likely the responses draw on many at once

There are examples already of people building on ChatGPT to provide references. It will be fine, we will manage through

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by eternalban »

BalinKing wrote: post #376
manmal wrote: post #337

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I‘m not completely serious of course, but with all the p-hacking and irreproducibility going on, is that such a big problem? At least people will double-check results then.

I agree completely. I'm as skeptical as anyone else about AI/ML-but IMHO, the criticism that "now we won't know what's true" is a tacit admission that we've already given up on critical thinking. In this regard, I honestly think ChatGPT et al. has potential to be a net positive, by virtue of its incorrectness: Maybe it'll force people to question things that they wouldn't have felt the need to otherwise.

It'll get pretty tedious to have to check every little factoid spewed by an LLM. At some point you'll get used to it and stop checking. It would be interesting to see the distribution of how long this takes for a population sample.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by OOPMan »

jbenjoseph wrote: post #536
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

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> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

I disagree. There is a ton of money to be made. Advertisements can be even more lucrative, we just have to rethink the whole idea of advertisement. Imagine the chat bot as a digital salesperson, but for literally everything. It can even be optimized in a manner that if a user asks for too much work that doesn't involve selling you products (eg. writing essays) it can go "I'm Sorry Dave, but you need a ChatGPT Premium…

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