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The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Re: The unequal treatment of demographic groups by ChatGPT/OpenAI content moderation

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Post by manuelabeledo »

eunos wrote: post #492
manuelabeledo wrote: post #258

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You mean that AI would strive to create a capitalist libertarian utopia, where healthcare is a privilege, guns an absolute right, abortion a crime, and dark money in politics widespread? Sounds like we are half-way there, anyway.

I'm thinking about AI that doesn't automatically anti conservative.

And a reactionary, far-right lobby inside the judicial branch is the best example you could come up with?

Let’s not forget that the current SCOTUS has six Federalist Society current or former members, of which at least one, Thomas, has already noted that they should overturn rulings like those concerning access to contraceptives, marriage equality, or anti-sodomy laws.

Regardless, I would be willing to say that the issue with AI being “anti conservative”, if that is a thing at all, is the fact that modern republicanism has been reactionary against every single social advancement since pretty much the 70s, and has not moved forward much ever since.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

prometheus76 wrote: post #112
flangola7 wrote: post #79

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FedSoc is a poison to democracy and sensible society, I can't imagine having another one.

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, which sounds great until something you hold dear becomes a minority opinion and you become a criminal.

The opposite is the tyranny of the minority, which is even worse for a country as a whole.

I’m not sure what your point is here, though. There are three governmental branches in the US precisely because of this. If anything, the judicial branch is the one that presents a more imminent risk to minorities.

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Post by DonHopkins »

account42 wrote: post #611
DonHopkins wrote: post #279

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Wokeism tolerates and even encourages racism and sexism, as long as it is not targeted at one of the protected races or sex. Not wanting to be forced to validate other peoples delusions about their gender isn't transphobia. Not wanting rainbow flags in your face everywhere - or really any kind of sex-related content - isn't homophobia. The current woke culture is way past letting people do whatever they want with the…

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Post by kodah »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #463
deepspace wrote: post #436

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Yes, that one leapt out at me in the comparison between 'Democrat voter' and 'Republican voter'. The term 'Democrat' is almost always used as a slur, while 'Republican' is just the mainstream term.

I would suggest you read some of reddit.

Generally, the equivalent slur of the left is wantonly labeling things as "conservative". Democrat is kind of odd manifestation as a slur, but I guess represents the parties disdain more directly. The left usually isn't that direct.

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Post by brmgb »

account42 wrote: post #615
brmgb wrote: post #140

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Hum, no, it's not. Of course, we marginally suffer from what we are importing and some students having too much free time on their hand try to argue rather unsuccessfully for intersectional studies but the models used in the USA don't map well on the European context for obvious historical reasons. Our left vs right debate also has nothing to do with the US one. From where I stand, the cultural gap between the USA an…

I can't speak for the entirety of europe but here in Germany, but the local equivalent of gender pronouns (/-innen) as well as rainbow flags in places where there is no reason for sex stuff at all is definitely a thing. Advertising is also pushing the same brainwashing (check the predominant races for each gender of couples in ads) and the mass import of muslim africans as well as the political refusal to admit when…

> Advertising is also pushing the same brainwashing (check the predominant races for each gender of couples in ads) and the mass import of muslim africans as well as the political refusal to admit when that causes problems

Yeah, no, I don't think giving more visibility to minorities and not being racist and islamophobic is what I had in mind when talking about my issue with US culture. Thank you for reminding me why this subject can't be discussed.

My issue is more that I strongly disagree with the way the USA frames multiculturalism and races (seriously the way the USA caracterises races is actually deeply racist). I don't believe culture can be owned and don't think cultural appropriation is a thing. Also, I'm ambivalent regarding diversity as a moral imperative and I don't believe that historical discriminations have to be compensated nor do I feel guilty in any way for what people who used to live in the country I'm currently a citizen of have done in the distant past (positions which would definitely be labeled as a form of racism by the most progressive Americans on virtue of me enjoying a privileged position - a fact I frankly don't care about).

Plus, like most French, I believe religion has no place in public life (well, actually, I believe religion is a poison for the mind and the world would be a better place if we could get ride of it but if people want to believe stupid things in private that their problem). Also, obviously, as I'm born in the twentieth century and not the middle-age, I'm favourable to unionisation, publicly founded healthcare, the right to abortion and believe that people should be able to sleep with whoever they please as long as it's consensual.

So, as you can see, I would probably be hated by both the American right and left.

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Post by account42 »

brmgb wrote: post #625
account42 wrote: post #615

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I can't speak for the entirety of europe but here in Germany, but the local equivalent of gender pronouns (/-innen) as well as rainbow flags in places where there is no reason for sex stuff at all is definitely a thing. Advertising is also pushing the same brainwashing (check the predominant races for each gender of couples in ads) and the mass import of muslim africans as well as the political refusal to admit when…

> Advertising is also pushing the same brainwashing (check the predominant races for each gender of couples in ads) and the mass import of muslim africans as well as the political refusal to admit when that causes problems Yeah, no, I don't think giving more visibility to minorities and not being racist and islamophobic is what I had in mind when talking about my issue with US culture. Thank you for reminding me why…

> Yeah, no, I don't think giving more visibility to minorities and not being racist and islamophobic is what I had in mind when talking about my issue with US culture. Thank you for reminding me why this subject can't be discussed.

The only reason for not being able to discuss something is if either participant refuses to discuss it. I don't particular care about discussing this so I am not going to push it but I do feel the need to point out the irony that your reaction re "islamophobia" was about me commenting how the german goverment is unwilling to discuss issues caused by mass immigration (presumably) in part due to fears of being accused of islamophobia.

Believe it or not, but I do agree with most of the other beliefs/opinions in your comment here.

> So, as you can see, I would probably be hated by both the American right and left.

Yes, a major problem with the current culture war is the "with us or against us mentality" that forces people into one of two opposing sides, or rather, assumes that anyone who even slightly disagrees is part of the other side and not worth listening to.

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Post by distant_hat »

pessimizer wrote: post #211
distant_hat wrote: post #103

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The left's support for Islam directly marginalizes minorities within Islamic countries as well as women and gays fighting for their rights there.

Islam: famous left-wing religion. Christianity: notoriously tolerant of minorities, supportive of the equality of women, and gay friendly.

Thank you for providing an excellent example of how this support works.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #478
throwaway894345 wrote: post #425

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The examples cited in my original comment were all specific examples. Some names include Lee Fang, Daniel Shor, James Damore.

Can you name others? I literally could not find the controversies for the first two, and it doesn’t appear anything worse than being fired from Google has happened to James Damore.

Both of the first two are on Wikipedia.

Prom dress controversy: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kassycho/keziah-daum-pr...

Geisha party: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom-called-apos-racist-apos-...

Professor suspended for using a Chinese word: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/09/08/professor-sus...

Asian fusion restaurant incident: https://www.dailywire.com/news/asian-restaurant-in-nyc-force...

These links are just the first things that came up on Google to help you find what you’re looking for. I’m not claiming these links are the best sources.

Man fired for cracking knuckles: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/502975-cal...

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Post by throwaway894345 »

SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #484
throwaway894345 wrote: post #459

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> The Google memo was hateful, anti-diversity, and he got exactly what he deserved (he was fired) Yeah, this is flat out wrong. The "memo" (it wasn't a memo, but the media's gonna media) is publicly available and pretty short so we can trivially verify claims that it was "hateful" and anti-diversity. Notably, Damore's position on diversity via the document: > I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I t…

I think you’re missing the argument here for the red-team/blue-team stuff. Regardless of team, if someone says or does something reprehensible, it ought to be condemned. That’s what these people did, and seems like they’ve moved on from there. Their lives go on, but you obsess over one chapter of their lives. Just seems overblown for its own sake.

I’m not on either team; I get flack from both. These people were patently not doing anything reprehensible, which is the whole point. Specifically, they were transparently fired/harassed/etc for deviating from the party line.

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Post by prometheus76 »

flangola7 wrote: post #441
prometheus76 wrote: post #123

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It's great, as long as you are in the majority. But if you're in the 49% (or less) category, then it is tyrannical and untenable. I don't know if you have a family, but if you do, do you put all of your decisions as a parent to a vote?

Sure, but you still haven't explained what the alternative is that you are proposing or how it would be better.

I never proposed an alternative. I was simply pointing out the problems with pure democracy. The critique comes from Plato.

But since you asked, I'm a monarchist.

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