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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by raxxorraxor »

kstrauser wrote: post #325
oceanplexian wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because we aren’t governed by a democracy, we’re governed by a massive administrative state. Some middle manager vying for a promotion decides adding cameras will benefit him in some way, privacy be damned. For example, TSA recently started doing facial recognition in airports and most passengers were just happily going along with it last time I went through security. The public is expected to submit and comply,…

I get the lack of resistance to the TSA thing. I’m not saying my opinion here is the correct one, but here’s how I see it: That ship has sailed. You no longer have a reasonable expectation of privacy in an airport. Courts have ruled that safety concerns override privacy considerations inside them. Alright, well, if this is the system we’re stuck with, then we might as well make it efficient. Now we have TSA PreCheck…

As you said the ease of precheck is relative. It would be the standard if it weren't for the security theatre.

I also don't see how we can ever get rid of it. There is a large psychological component on the topic of safety and flying. That we cannot get rid of it again is a problem though. Doubt we can have low security planes for those that don't want to be screened.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by defrost »

bmitc wrote: post #619
azernik wrote: post #530

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Retaliating against a law firm's employees for doing their jobs by representing their clients is absolutely draconian. Especially for a large company doing this with unrelated properties.

Is it retaliation, or is it protection?

Retaliation and intimidation.

If it were protection .. to prevent a lawyer from witnessing something at a public venue that might be used as evidence agains them ... then there is no protection possible.

A sensible law firm would not use one of their employees with a public image available, they'd use a contracted private investigator to gather evidence.

This smacks of punitive behaviour to not only punish the law firm (for doing their job) in a petty manner, but to also intimidate any other law firm thinking of taking them on.

Eg: Hypothetically if Disney were to ban all members of any company that challenged Disney on ride safety .. how would that appear?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by raxxorraxor »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #505
kstrauser wrote: post #402

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Sure, I’m with you on that. As a one-time transactional system, like verifying that the person presenting an ID card is the person on its photo, fine. I don’t want it going into a permanent database.

Unfortunately not an option and will likely never happen. Nothing has been deleted since around 2005, when storage costs plummeted below the price of selling the data instead.

And they need that money. They don't get anything from terrorists they haven't stopped. If there were a single one, we probably would have heard of it.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by raxxorraxor »

namaria wrote: post #305

The problem here is not facial recognition or AI. The problem is automatic and opaque enforcement of arbitrary rules with no recourse. It's a scary world where you can be approached by private security and forced to comply without recourse because "the system" flagged you. This dehumanizes us. We're creating a world where people are being treated like cattle, merely handled by systems beyond our capacity to fight bac…

I don't see them improving safety by much either. With the insane amounts of money in this industry, we would have heard about successes. Yet they are far and few between while data and identity theft is a known problem and all these "solutions" add to the danger.

I am very glad to live in a country where you have to just delete everything after a while, which includes data extracted from said material. I don't feel less safe because of that, although I would even prefer to not have these solutions at all.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by yreg »

azernik wrote: post #549
yreg wrote: post #543

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What if you have to make a reservation and they check your name against an alphabetical book of blacklisted names? Low-tech and easy to enforce.

Not so easy to enforce, because most ticketing systems don't require the name of every single attendee. Adding that requirement would be really really bad for the sales funnel, and also require tickets to be 100% non-transferable. And much less disruptive to the target, because they get told in advance and don't drive and park and go in and plan only to get kicked out.

I don't think that was a question and it has nothing to do with enforceability.

Of course banning people based on where they work is bad for business.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by belfalas »

belfalas wrote: post #545
andrekandre wrote: post #487

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what are some stand-out differences?

You mean besides freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and democracy?

One more: in Russia it’s legal to beat your wife. Look it up, it’s very recent.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by sneak »

xoa wrote: post #94
sneak wrote: post #59

Covid is still around. Always wear your mask in public. Don't show ID unless it's a cop demanding it (when it's legally required). Private parties can't demand ID. Don't give ID for routine transactions. Practice saying no to routine demands for your papers. It doesn't improve unless a lot of us start ending the transactions.

> Private parties can't demand ID. What? Can you cite any laws legally barring people for requiring ID for a business transaction or to access private property? I've honestly never heard of such a thing. Obviously if a private person says "I want to see your ID for access or before completing this transaction" you may legally refuse, and they cannot arrest you or anything. But they can then in turn refuse to complete…

You've no right to access private property even with ID, as TFA illustrates. ID or no ID, the private property owner can eject you if they wish (unless their ejection is based solely on your membership in a protected class).

I'm not sure where your question comes from. Of course any private property owner can reject you for any reason, including failure to ID. But that's nothing to do with ID.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by mijoharas »

kstrauser wrote: post #162

I’m thrilled to see facial recognition applied against people in a position to speak out loudly against it. A lot of people seem OK with it when it’s policing the bad parts of town. This is their reminder that it can be used against them, too.

When put in those terms it's a classic example of progress along the "Shitty Tech Adoption Curve"[0]

[0] https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1331633102762831873

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by azernik »

eppp wrote: post #585
azernik wrote: post #544

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All that is well and good for a plaintiff . But their lawyer? Or any other lawyer who works at the same firm? Nah, this is bananas.

So if google is suing ticketmaster then ticketmaster banning google employees would be ok?

Definitely not okay, just pointing out the different kind of craziness at play here.

(In that case it would be purely the holding employees with no connection to the specific actions responsible for what their employer does.)

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by azernik »

xyzzyz wrote: post #567
azernik wrote: post #535

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That is not, in fact, how boarding passes at airports work. Identity checking is done by TSA, in a step that is very often the bottleneck and consumes enormous amounts of manpower and physical space.

That’s exactly how they work when you actually board the plane.

The thing they scan is your boarding pass.

They do not perform the ID checking, which because of varying forms of ID is a non trivial problem that they push back to the security lines.

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