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Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

whimsicalism wrote: post #384
badcppdev wrote: post #346

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They haven't actually dealt with Covid yet. Their immunisation rates are low and the vaccines they've used are not the best. It's an ongoing process where they are still flattening the curve. They aren't back to normal. And this happened yesterday: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-delays-release-eco... . The market opinion is that the financial data is very bad so they don't want to release it. And this is q…

> Their immunisation rates are low I'm not sure that is true in general, but it is unfortunately true for the elderly in China - precisely the population they want to protect. They've sort of screwed themselves by not vaxxing the elderly at high rates.

Which raises an interesting question. In China they could make elderly get vaccinated. They close entire large apartment buildings with one person'a exposure to covid, bring them food occasionally and organize security and testing for those people. Why not go through and get everyone vaccinated? They are already monitoring their lives closely with Orwellian surveillance, why not just add on required shots on top of all that hell? I haven't seen that China disputes the usefulness of covid vaccines.

So what gives?

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

lovich wrote: post #606
Firmwarrior wrote: post #559

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All sorts of people have called getting a vaccine "getting the jab" for decades. It isn't some secret code for "I don't believe that vaccines are safe"

Huh, looks like it might be my little bubble. Went looking online and definitely see media references to “the jab” late 2021 and then it appears the anti vaxx crowd I first experienced with took it on as a sarcastic mocking of how the media used a synonym instead of calling it the vaccine. Guess I’m one of todays 10,000

Yeah, I think jab has become accepted US shorthand for a shot and it's not pejorative. But your comment is shocking, you made a graceful acceptance that the word's definition had changed? Thank you.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

adaml_623 wrote: post #565
chrischen wrote: post #470

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Actually I live in Japan and Japan has implemented exactly 0 lockdowns. While policies have reduced the number of people walking about, there are still more people shoulder to shoulder on a daily basis than anywhere in the US.

Are they wearing masks? I look around where I am and wonder why aren't more of us wearing masks?

If you are in the US, half the us thinks masks and taking care not to communicate deadly diseases to them in some evil attempt to control them. In my world, all my friends know it's real and masks help protect you, but they are just so tired of it. I'm tired of it, but I still wear one, don't eat at inside restaurants, etc. But most people stopped thinking of covid as that disease that can really hurt you, if you are unlucky enough. Half the time I'm tempted not to wear a mask - my wife gets frustrated at me, but I do wear one when out at the store etc.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by toss1 »

aaronblohowiak wrote: post #560
toss1 wrote: post #493

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The latest electronic gadget is NOT what it is about It is whether the democracies of the world will abandon democracy and allow dictators to take over their societies by threat of force or force. If we are not both better armed, better prepared, and willing to fight, we might as well hand over the key to Putin, Xi, and Un, and live under their dictatorships. If we want freedom, we must risk war, and if the threat is…

I agree with you. But people don't care about democracy and freedom anymore. Not like they used to, anyway.

If they don't start caring on their own in a big hurry, they'll be forced to understand why they should care in only a slightly lesser hurry...

I don't want to be condemned to repeat history because hordes of dolts can't even begin to pay attention

ugh

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

soperj wrote: post #281
rmah wrote: post #199

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It's complicated. Even Taiwan doesn't recognize Taiwan (Republic of China) as a sovereign nation, separate and distinct from the Peoples Republic of China. There are Taiwanese political groups that do want that but they haven't gotten their way so far. Either way, you probably meant that 13 nations have full and formal diplomatic relationships with Taiwan. Which, btw does not include the US, Japan or any EU nations.

It's not really that complicated. After WW2 the Communists drove the Republic of China govt out of mainland China. So mainland China is controlled by the communists and Taiwan by the remnants of the Republic of China government. Republic of China government still claims to be the rightful government of all of China (Taiwan included), same with the Communist government.

And the people of Taiwan don't want to communist Chinese mainland govt to come and kill all their leaders, imprison people and take away their freedom, like the folks in officially happy Hong Kong. Adding on to your comment, it's pretty obvious why anyone would want to stay out of China's control.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by tlear »

intrasight wrote: post #511
Apocryphon wrote: post #483

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If they want to make a desert and call it peace, perhaps. Seems like a bad strategy to smash a crown jewel before you annex it.

They will take it without a fight

Putin called he needs your brilliant strategic advice. 1 week to Kyiv or was it 2 days? I can't recall. This kind nationalistic PRC BS is how they will start a war, get defeated than have another civil war with 100 million dead.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

kragen wrote: post #443
whimsicalism wrote: post #431

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I think pinning Taiwan as "last bastion" of some democracy that existed before is incorrect as any honest history of the KMT can see.

Even dishonest histories of the KMT are rarely so dishonest as to claim the ROC was democratically governed before 01949, however much they try to whitewash the mass killings. Disinformation has to be plausible to be effective.

All this arguing about what the KMT did and the relationship going back to the ROC doesn't matter. Today Taiwan is a democracy, is no threat to anyone, and deserves every right of self-determination. Democracies should work together to collectively protect each other from the authoritarian countries that want to take them over and destroy their democracies.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

laverya wrote: post #272
axus wrote: post #260

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MBS isn't making claims on his neighbors territory for his own.

I think he's literally in the process of invading and subjugating a neighbor, actually. The Saudis might not call what's going on in Yemen an invasion, but it sure looks like it from here.

Yemen and the treatment of Khashoggi and many others by the Saudi govt could eventually yield a case for helping their neighbors resist them. Yemen is pretty horrible. We are stuck with oil dependence for now.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

whimsicalism wrote: post #216
glitchc wrote: post #149

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Xi is not rational. His isolationist policies and "return to Mao-style communism" have killed China's economy. The current zero-COVID policy is the icing on the cake: It runs completely counter to scientific thought and is impossible to achieve for 1.2 billion people. He's painted himself into a corner and is unwilling to budge (how can the Premier be wrong?), and is doing tremendous damage to China in the process.

Very little of your comment is true. I attribute increasing vitriol and false statements being thrown around as a symptom of our increasingly escalating cold war with China. It is interesting to see how dramatically opinion has cooled on China in the past few years, simply because they have become a great power competitor.

Please be specific about which of the comments were wrong. The covid shutdowns have clearly significantly impacted China's economy. There's no doubt. They failed to aggressively inoculate their country, which is under their control. Other countries had low covid deaths, China is not the only one. Poor choices, irrationally sticking with that policy is not a great sign.

Re: Intel and the $1.5T chip industry meltdown

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Post by rnk »

kragen wrote: post #512
hunglee2 wrote: post #505

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hmmm....not sure I agree here. Tsai is not entirely a creature of the US, and has indirectly - perhaps initially, inadvertently - manipulated the US by pushing for an unendorsed independence, forcing the US to deal with a situation they hadn't before considered - a 'two china' outcome. However, now that US does sees this outcome, it cannot unsee it and is thus driving hard to secure that outcome, no doubt as a steppi…

Hmm, interesting. I'll have to think about that.

That was an interesting idea about TSMC's influence. But the fact that there should be two separate Chinas has only become more clear each year to me, with Taiwan's increasingly democratic and successful democracy (and China's every more authoritarian and dangerous behavior). I've thought that for 30 years should be the policy, and I'm just an average US person.
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