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Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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Given the bizarre backlash here from people that think sms comms are ok I reckon I’ll start a monthly contribution.

Oh no, the "did you remember to lock the door to the auditorium" messages I send to my boss may be unencrypted. The humanity. What do you purists use to talk to all the random people around you? Do you reply "I'm sorry, it's too insecure for me to answer that, you'll have to install Signal first" messages when more distant colleagues ask you if you're at your desk right now? Do you teach your grandmother to use Whats…

>Do you teach your grandmother to use WhatsApp so her birthday greetings won't be intercepted by the NSA?

Do you not?

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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I agree completely here. This is terrible news from my perspective too. I use Signal for _all messaging_ (e2e secure or not) for the reasons that you mention. I've onboarded friends and family, too, ensuring them it should be set as their default messaging app and that it _just works_. Unfortunately, people in the general population seem to have pretty much zero tolerance for any friction whatsoever. If they have to…

If they have to use 2 apps, they'll just end up communicating with me in the clear using their "default SMS" app on their phone. That's what this is going to result it...a reduction in overall message security due to people defaulting to what's easier...which is to _not_ have to remember which app to use for which "send a message" purpose. Fuck. Exactly right. In fact, I will be doing this too. Right now, I use Signa…

> Right now, I use Signal as my default messaging app, and messages go via Signal to people who've registered their phone number with Signal without me having to do anything to effect that

This is actually a complaint of mine. I've regularly had Signal send secure messages to people who have tried Signal in the past, but have since uninstalled the app (or in iOS's case, they 'offload' apps when you don't use them frequently which silences notifications). This results in me thinking my messages are sent only to find out that they'll never read them. I then get frustrated and have to go back and re-send the message via SMS.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#624

> We have now reached the point where SMS support no longer makes sense. What a laughable, out of touch suggestion. Did anyone at Signal actually ask the community what they thought about removing SMS support? Seriously, this decision is going to kill Signal app. It will halt the majority of growth as evangelists such as myself can no longer recommend it with a straight face. Signal is supposed to enhance the messagi…

Personally I think supporting SMS is what's "out of touch". It's a legacy system that a huge chunk of their users won't have ever used in the app except possibly accidentally.

Care to back up that conjecture with data?

It's absurdly short-sighted to call SMS legacy.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#625

I've been using Signal for a long time. I have repeatedly been unable to convince iOS users to use Signal because "I don't want another app". Android users have been much more willing to give it a shot. As an android user myself, I much prefer having SMS built in because I use the search feature often to look back through all my SMS/Signal chats. I also regularly forward an SMS message to a Signal user, or vice versa…

At least you can do backups.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#626

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It's completely backwards for me. When I'm out of data for a month, SMSs still work. I've had to press and hold the send button to revert to SMS on many occasions.

What's even worse is that for you (and I) removal of SMS support will mean that out message history will suddenly be inconsistent as existing SMS messages will be removed.

I take that back:

https://community.signalusers.org/t/signal-blog-removing-sms...

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

#627

Many people have commented on why this is devastating news regarding future adoption of Signal. But there is a second part to the announcement that hasn't received a lot of attention yet: > If you want to keep them, you’ll also need to export your SMS messages from Signal into that new app. So that means my text messages will be removed from my Signal chat history? Put differently, considering how many of my contacts…

I stand corrected:

https://community.signalusers.org/t/signal-blog-removing-sms...

Still a bummer that support for SMS will be removed but now I'm at least a tiny bit relieved.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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> Wikipedia says that Moxie is still on the Signal Board of Directors, but I find it hard to believe that he would let something this crazy go through. IIRC I read (some years ago) that Moxie wasn't really convinced that SMS support should stay in Signal-Android, either.

He was definitely against the encryption-over-SMS feature of TextSecure as Android and smartphones more broadly grew in marketshare. He also wrote the blog post on how it doesn't matter if you have multiple messaging apps (or federation between them) because the notification area of your phone is the modern federation engine. I may be paraphrasing a bit heavily but the post is at [1]. I agree I can see him being at l…

> I agree I can see him being at least OK with removing SMS but it seems at odds with what I felt was his overall view of "get the most people the most security we can"

You're right:

https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/6134#issu...

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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KDE is such a great example of how to do it right that I didn't even think of it. It just works so well and so transparently that I forget how great it is sometimes. Rock solid and both works and looks great right out of the box. So customizable that using literally anything else feels like using a Fisher-Price computer for toddlers.

That review of KDE is so over-the-top it almost reads like satire. Is KDE really that great? (Using Gnome under Ubuntu - no complaints here. But I also am not sure what KDE is giving you. Control over look-and-feel of the windowing environment? Default utility applications? Perhaps a desktop API thick-client programmers can write against?

KDE is really that great. Used a GNOME desktop on Fedora recently and there were so many simple features missing.

Windowing rules for one. Simple example: Firefox picture-in-picture. On KDE I have a windowing rule so that if from any firefox window playing video I hit the picture-in-picture button the picture-in-picture window becomes a certain size, goes to a certain placement on my monitors, stays on top of all windows, and is visible across all virtual desktops.

Ability to control the layout of my virtual desktops is also incredibly useful to me. (I use a 3x3 grid, so switching from my "main" task in the center to any one of 4 sub-tasks up-down-left-right is easy, and my universal tasks (chat/email/etc) go in the 4 corners.

KDE puts you in control, and gives you a LOT of control. IMO GNOME feels much more windows/mac in it's design philosophy. "We know best, do it the way we let you."

And as far as an API, yes, also that. With the Plasma desktop plugin Firefox remembers which virtual desktop each window is supposed to go to, so I have no issue rebooting with 5 or 6 different windows open.

I apologize if it sounds over the top, but for my use-cases at least the level of control and "just does the right thing" really do stand out above the alternatives.

Re: Removing SMS support from Signal Android (soon)

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> I'm confused at what is stopping you from doing this? As far as I know the backup is encrypted. > Are you not able to import these backups into the desktop client? No, the desktop client is not standalone, and ONLY syncs with the a phone to get content. Moreover, if you don't use the client for a period (2-3 weeks in my experience?) it de-syncs that desktop client. Re-connecting that desktop to your phone will only…

I was more thinking to port chats from your phone to the desktop. The desktop client is on the NAS and serves as the "storage" where you can search your full backup. I would guess there would be a more difficult solution where you could hack the phone app to sync all data instead of just when your desktop connects. So that solution might take more than just a Saturday night ;) I agree that there aren't really any gre…

Agree, I don't want them storing anything.

This is one area where, and I know what you're going to say, but Matrix actually does really well. My data, on my server, in my house, not tied to any specific single device I own but distributed across several and backed up in an encrypted manner.

But you've got me thinking about the data export option. Saturday is coming. Hmm...

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