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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by R0b0t1 »

trelane wrote: post #520
R0b0t1 wrote: post #467

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That's impressive. I've done the equivalent of tuning everything and still wound up with battery lifetime half of what it should be on Windows. There's also specific programs that are really bad. Edge used to add 2-4 hours extra battery life when using my Surface to read PDFs. If I used Firefox, it was shorter by a very noticeable amount.

Does straight chrome have similar battery performance?

Chrome was worse compared to MS's Edge, but Chrome based Edge seems worse than previous Edge. My testing isn't as exhaustive on the new Edge.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by geoka9 »

numpad0 wrote: post #586
zumu wrote: post #572

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Short aside: any tips for becoming a trackpoint user? I find it much more comfortable than the trackpad, but my curosr always seems so slow when it's not going way too fast. Is there special software tweaking I need? EDIT: I forgot to mention I'm on Linux

Control Panel > Mouse > ThinkPad > Slow ---[]- Fast slider almost all the way to right sudo sh -c "echo 240 > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/sensitivity" This is separate to speed settings for mouse pointer

On my X1 Carbon 6th, this helped but not much. I put up with a stiff trackpoint for couple years (that's how I depend on one :)), until it hit me! Sticking a folded piece of paper (or similar) into the base of the eraser lifts it up and makes it feel smooth as butter! Problem solved! I would give myself a Nobel prize for discovering this if I could!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

trelane wrote: post #568
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #563

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Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation. But if you want off windows and aren’t willing to go Mac, you take what you can get.

> Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation. Why? Does it not hibernate?

No it does not. If you’re not careful you’ll open your laptop bag to a hot and barely touchable laptop.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by mattclarkdotnet »

sireat wrote: post #479
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Please, more country availability! I've been waiting for 12th gen Alder Lake availability and am ready to pay. However as a EU citizen from one of the Baltic states I am unable to do so. Please, tell us that this year any EU citizen will be able to order a Framework laptop. I could not even find which friends in which countries to ask to order Framework for me.. It used to be US then UK, and I know there are a few ot…

Can't you use a parcel forwarding service?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

trelane wrote: post #567
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #562

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I’m on a 2020 XPS17. At the time I was having a hell of a time and it took almost a year for everything to be supported out of the box.

Why do people keep doing this to themselves?! I really don't get it. Just buy a laptop from a vendor that actually supports linux, like System76.

Because there are countries out side of America. You may have heard of them.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by hprvzr »

nrp wrote: post #482
helloworld653 wrote: post #293

How many external 1080p60 monitors can this drive with the laptop open? 4?

Yep, you can use up to four displays in total. That includes the internal display, so using four external monitors would mean turning off the internal one.

What are the limits for refresh rate and resolution? Also I assume DP/HDMI extension ports are done via USB-C, right? May direct connections to USB-C monitor help?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by tie_ »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #423
bigpeopleareold wrote: post #397

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I taught myself just last year to use the trackpoint because I was curious. I turned it off at the BIOS, etc. just to make me use it exclusively. Once I got over the hump, I was surprised. I don't want keyboards anymore without it. I developed a strong muscle memory for it over the year. I'm a grouchy quirky old man, but when it comes to trackpoints, I am new to this quirk :D

Is this on a thinkpad? My HP EliteBook has a track point and I haven't found any config that makes it usable. The tracking is either way too quick or way too slow. And the acceleration curve is either very steep or non-existent. I've tried it on both Windows and Linux. I realize I'm not used to it, in the beginning I used to have a hard time with mice, too, so maybe it's just a question of habit. For the moment, the…

Totally understandable. I'm a trackpoint junkie, but I also could not get to using it on an HP laptop from work. It felt completely gimped (and yes, having just 2 buttons was probably a part of it).

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by tie_ »

bitwize wrote: post #515
NikolaNovak wrote: post #438

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>>they felt so clumsy to me that I don't see how I could ever be a convert. They do have a learning curve; but FWIW, I feel exact the opposite - I can achieve both lightning fast movement, AND pixel-perfect precision with the trackpoint (the latter I have never managed to consistently achieve on a trackpad). (Note, for me, it's never a "Trackpoint vs Mouse". I'll use mouse 100% of the time when at my desk. When not a…

> (the latter I have never managed to consistently achieve on a trackpad). Ever try an Apple trackpad?

Ever tried playing something like (multiplayer) Quake with an Apple trackpad? I used to win online matches with the trackpoint. Once you get use to it, the difference in speed and precision is quite significant.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nrp »

nrp wrote: post #182
deng wrote: post #101

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Does the laptop support proper S3 sleep, or is this impossible with modern Intel CPUs?

S3 was technically not supported in 11th Gen Intel Core, but seemed to mostly work anyway. S3 is also not technically supported in 12th Gen Intel Core, and it seems to mostly not work at the moment, and it is unclear if that will change. However, s0ix continues to improve substantially in recent kernels, to the point where there doesn't seem to be a major standby battery life advantage to s3 anymore (on 11th Gen).

I can't edit my comment anymore, but I have been informed that with recent firmware, s3 does seem to still work on 12th Gen Intel Core.
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