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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#621

Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

1. So drop the sports and volunteer work. Let them do schoolwork, homework and then free time.

It is a myth that kids have to do all of these things. Sports should be extracurricular activity, i.e. outside education. You don't need to do sports to be healthy or to learn about team work.

And volunteering? Volunteering is called community service if you're a criminal. Why punish kids like that? They will soon have to be grown ups, let them have some years to remember positively.

2. applies to adults too, and has always been true.

3. has always been true.

Social media maybe somewhere frustrated kids go, but it is also a place where the shit starts or festers.

If you think it's a fault of the society and parenting, hey everyone, stop making your kids suffer.

Work ethic doesn't come with being overworked as a kid, work ethic is something you can rationally explain as being beneficial for the individual and the group, and I would dare say that work ethic is strongly correlated with physical health.

You have to remember that the teens going on social media now are meeting a cesspool of nonsense that has been there for over a decade. The cesspool was long in the making before they showed up, and by older individuals, themselves arguably a product of our messed up society.

Capitalism, marketing, fanning the flames of consumerism, maximising profitability — these things feed down into society and create bad parenting habits and bad habits in individual measures of self esteem as well.

I happened to look at Instagram the other day someone was showing me their account on their phone, and the sheer amount of commercialisation was horrifying to behold. People of all ages will eventually be quite unable to determine art from advertisement, because they will have been bombarded with so much kitsch advertising that they'll equate the two.

People are more or less just turning themselves into adverts as well. And those that pay attention to it feed into a sort of tribalism. Each brand forms a tribe of supporters. I've noticed this with fashion, food, music, and more.

And if people are being pushed into social media, it still occurs to me that social media is pretty much the last place I would want kids to end up. People are impressionable and naive, and for them to end up somewhere where blatant falsities and conspiracies are viral just can't be good.

I'm not suggesting free speech be stopped, but the problem is that journalism used to be profitable because it was a source of truth or at the very least a source of feasible opinions.

But it has turned out to be more profitable to instead churn out bullshit, and profitability is all anyone cares about.

And this is to say nothing of the implications of having all this data about people and what they do, flying around between tech-marketing giants that could probably afford to buy countries if there were an appropriate mechanism...

Social media is nothing but bad news. It's not confined to kids either, you may have noticed my use of the word "people" not "kids". Many adults are just as impressionable and easily taken in by the same bullshit. They're just as glued to their mobile devices. They're just as dysfunctional. And they will go on to raise kids.

Dysfunctional parents raising kids in a dysfunctional society results in what? Probably dysfunctional kids.

Some will prove resistant and able to carve themselves their own identity and think critically in the face of it all, but they will probably be vilified or at least ignored or considered crazy.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#622

While this is absolutely true, there's also another elephant in the room: a global pandemic that's destroyed every kid's routine, robbed 2+ years of their childhood from them, and for many put them severely behind in school and extracurricular achievement. Given all the pressure we put on kids these days to excel at everything in order to ensure their futures, it's not surprising that many are feeling more hopeless a…

Gee I wonder what teenagers saw during the black plague or conquest of the Mongols?

The problem kids face today isn't problems, those have always existed.

The problem today is non problems or problems that don't relate to the person in any way or hypothetical problems that are pumped to cause hysteria for political or economic gains get way too much attention. Which describes most of what you list.

People have survived and overcome massive problems in our historic past, but these bullshit "problems" have themselves become a problem and media, social and otherwise is a good part of the cause.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#623

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"The things you are listing don't concern "teenagers" in their young teens, at all. They start being a problem for young adults, maybe" That's just not true, though. I'm over 40: My first formal 'current events' portion of a social studies class happened when I was 12, IIRC. The first gulf war was the current topic. Middle schoolers would be told now that they need to think about going to college, how doing well in h…

> The first gulf war was the current topic. Our view of that was from the news, as well. The events in Ukraine are much more real-time and on social media. They see stories of children separated from their parents, of parents murdered, or all of them being killed in bombings. These atrocities have always happened in war but now they are barely filtered and easily accessible. "If it can happen to those children, it ca…

I didn't even consider that when I wrote the response. I mean, I remember seeing the bombs on television and being a bit worried about it, but I imagine it seems a bit more 'real' now and there is so much more available.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc this is very bad, the problem is not tiktok, she finds an escape thanks to tiktok, don't remove that from her talk to her, talk to her teacher if she doesn't have problems at school with other kids > Our kids are being milked of their time, attention, imagination, focus and money. The majorit…

I completely agree with it being an education problem and like... I treat my YouTube watching or online media watching in a way where I would make fun of myself if I allowed myself to be controlled by the thing so I don't allow myself to put myself in situations where I would mock myself if that makes any remote sense. I think it's silly to not be in control of the things that I feed myself digitally or otherwise. It…

And what's your next move once you explained that and still find them "escaping" for hours in these meaningless apps? Do you have children? How many being teenagers?

Can you explain in a "soft kind manner" to an addict that they should just quit? You can fight it pro-actively or re-actively. I prefer the former as, at least, prevents the addiction from even forming.

Please identify a smoker in your close circle and explain in a "soft manner" to them how that thing causes cancer, lowers life expectancy, increases heart rate and all the jazz that we are sure of - scary stuff. Report back if they quit.

I cannot be in total control and I do NOT want that but, at least, I'm not putting cigarettes on the table myself because that's what this is.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#625

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> Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. Can you fill in the blank? I actually have no idea what you are referring to here.

As an example from my son, a 13 year old white kid, gave me is that if you have one of the "diversity cards" (minority, LGBQT+, female sometimes, or some other thing) than you get to joke and talk in a way than those that don't have such a card. So his friends that are gay or black or indian or disabled are able to tease each other about it and have more liberty to use terms that my son is not allowed to. The gay kid…

Just commenting to confirm that they are not actually handing out anything called a diversity card that gives you permission to do anything.

edit: also want to make sure that "teen mental health" includes the 75% of kids that are not straight, non-disabled white boys. If those kids are included then this probably isn't a reasonable explanation.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How? not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses if you ban tiktok today, tomorrow will appear a new one, embrace them for what they are, social communication mediums, and educate your kids with the problems…

> not by trying to put the fault on them or dodging the issue by finding excuses The issue is being taken care of don't worry, no excuses, straight from the root. > the reason they are finding an escape through them and not thought you is because you are hostile to the way they communicate with their friends I am not. She has whatsapp, youtube, meets, games and a healthy digital presence with her friends and colleagu…

> I am not. She has whatsapp, youtube, meets, games and a healthy digital presence with her friends and colleagues. I just weed out crap that she is not prepared for, the addictive one.

you contradict yourself, youtube has shorts wich is just like tiktok.. on top of likes/dislikes/comments/subscribers/channels/private messages/google profile etc wow, scary btw!.. on top of mature content!! "shh..must fight tiktok!!"

so the problem is US apps vs Chinese app?

> I do not find here prepared, at 10 years of age, to deal with crap like likes, followers, reactions, views or other meaningless measurements that put thousands into mental hospitals.

and the problem is here, your kid is 10yo

https://www.tiktok.com/safety/en/guardians-guide/

> To sign up for TikTok, you must first pass through an age gate to get you into the right TikTok experience. In the US, if you’re under 13 years old, you’ll be placed into our TikTok for Younger Users experience which has additional privacy and safety protections designed specifically for this audience. If we learn that a person under the age of 13 is using or posting content on TikTok without using TikTok for Younger Users, they will be removed.

> TikTok can be downloaded from the App Store, Google Play Store, Amazon Appstore, and other official application platforms. We’ve given the app a 12+ rating specifically so caregivers can access the device-level Apple and Android controls built into your family’s devices. If you don’t want your teen to download our app, you can prevent them from doing so using the parental controls available via these stores.

if she addicted, she probably started to consume tiktok prior to her 10'th year, parental issue here

you should have set up screen time so she don't spent all her time on her phone

the best way to create problems btw, is to cut addictions overnight

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#627

Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

I’ll counter that with the caveat that my kids are grade 5 and younger. We’re very involved in school and other activities - my wife is a PTO president and long time member, I coach youth sports and other community type programs. The kids we have seen mostly don’t engage with social media directly. But the ones who transition from cute 5-6 year olds to problematic 10-12 year olds have a key common factor. Tablets. Yo…

Yeah there's a framework for reporting abuse now at least, in the early aughts the game in my high school was to catfish dick pics from desperate boys over AOL Instant Messenger and send them to others randomly for shock value. It was vile, and at least one victim switched schools because of it, but no one ever got caught. It was reported to the police, but no one had any idea how to track down the person doing it.

If this happened to my kids today it's very likely someone would be charged with a crime (rightfully so).

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#628

Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

Also, kids are smart and they can see what's going on.

They compare notes on Facebook and realize that everything is pretty shitty. They see the memes put together by people who have and have not done the research that decry the condition of the environment, the condition of employment, the condition of their fellow man. And honestly, a lot of the negativity is simply true.

There's a huge risk that we confuse the medium for the message... If people who watch television at the same rate that young people consume social media are more optimistic, it may not be because things aren't actually so bad... It may merely be that bad news drives away television advertising dollars and viewers.

And not to inject too much of my own pessimism, but I'm not sure a governing body whose membership has a mean age of 64 (!) Is constitutionally ready to wrestle with the notion that long after they're dead, the legacy they will have left the younger generation is a very depressing one.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#629

Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

It's not the only source of the problem, but social media is certainly a big one. Back in the day you didn't get rape threats from 50 anonymous accounts, or see pictures of you photoshopped sucking dicks, or feel like even more of a loser because you see in 4K detail how everybody else in class is having more fun outside of school. The internet is a threat and embarrassment and envy machine. You feel like you're cons…

I wonder what social media discourse would look like if it wasn’t full of ad spam, lamenting inequality, freedom to be oneself without old politicians being mad, and environment concerns for young people.

It’s not social media at all; it’s the reality they live in which happens to include social media. It’s plain truth; the majority don’t give a fuck about their future.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#630
Social media is also a savior for many kids while perverse high school social dynamics implant a dystopian foundation of the world, affecting perceptions into adulthood and often for the rest of their lives. This all sounds a bit like a near-sighted appeal to antiquity to me.
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