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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by nix23 »

astura wrote: post #242
luxuryballs wrote: post #97

Since when is black and white primarily a racial thing anyways? It seems a little inverted, like a black flag or a black mark on an account, it’s not like it’s called “negrolist”, black and white are colors before they are slang for race/culture. Maybe instead of neutering the dictionary we could try a different angle and quit lumping people into “white” or “black”? Some people are Kenyan, Irish, Nigerian, German, no…

"Blacklist" and "whitelist" suck anyway because they require the cultural knowledge that "black is bad and white is good" to understand their meaning. "Allowlist" and "denylist" don't require any cultural background to understand - their names are purely descriptive. They are just better terms.

Blacklist has nothing to do with skin-color...you fall in the same trap as those wannabe corrector's:

>>His memory was stored with a black list of the enemies and rivals, who had traduced his merit, opposed his greatness, or insulted his misfortunes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklisting#Origins_of_the_te...

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by shadowgovt »

mrosett wrote: post #619
shadowgovt wrote: post #298

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As a corporate culture, Google very much believes that if you ask the pre-car public what they want, they'd say "faster horses." ... and the willingness to take risks has historically served them pretty well.

Has it actually served them well? How many of Google’s controversial launches have turned out well? The YouTube acquisition was risky but that was more on the commercial side than on the product side. Apple is a different story of course.

> Has it actually served them well?

I feel like I can just gesture to the stock price and say "scoreboard," but that seems an unfair dismissal of the question.

To expound on the topic a bit: I think when they were a smaller company it served them well consistently. Photos and Drive have become an enterprise cornerstone that supports their "light cloud" business space (quite a few people pay for that extra storage). Ads doesn't get talked about much, but the internal culture is very quick-innovate. Chrome went from being a wild idea to dominating the browser-share (and therefore giving Google a foot in the door on everyone's desktop computer), and then they parlayed that into a whole operating system play. Maps basically displaced most of the other players in that space and now competes with only a couple other contenders.

I don't know if it will continue to do so now that they're an 800-lb gorilla in the room. They've certainly become more structurally conservative in the decade-plus since their founding. And I think their push into Cloud is putting pressure on them to act a lot more starched-collar; Enterprise is a different customer than they're used to (or comfortable with) dealing with.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by bee_rider »

azth wrote: post #203
user3939382 wrote: post #108

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If we're going to play this game, I think dissuading people from using "mother" in the example of "motherboard" is offensive. Mothers are the source of human life on earth, and in that capacity are revered and honored. When we say motherboard, we're making an analogy that suggests the board's significance and universal connection to everything. To discourage the term as an analogy for things that are a universal sour…

It's the natural outcome of far leftist ideologies. People need to wake up and start rejecting this destructive ideology where a person is evaluated only based on their identity. I think MLK had something to say about that.

I don't think it is.

It is more of a natural outcome of silly corporatists not really understanding why leftists and progressives object to things, and so just reflexively avoiding anything that could be, however tenuously, linked to gender. They are concern trolling themselves.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by Tr3nton »

burnished wrote: post #221
olalonde wrote: post #42

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Reminds me of when GitHub stopped using "master" for the default branch because it was somehow offensive.

Main is better. Master/slave has uncomfortable connotations. This one isn't a big deal.

If you support this, don't complain when you're found guilty of thoughtcrime for something that seems normal and natural to you.

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Post by randallsquared »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #612
bombcar wrote: post #46

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Landlord gets hit from multiple sides; those who don't like that it contains "lord" which is a male term, those who don't like that landlords exist, and those who don't like that the concept of owning land exists.

Sure the origin is to do with Lords but landlord isn't male, anyone can be a landlord, pretending it's gendered is just lying to try and be offended. Presumably, such people think the word coward references bovines as it includes the word cow. I don't like that landlords exist, but that's an inordinately stupid reason to try and get rid of a word. Surely noone believes that by sensoring a word you get rid of that whi…

> pretending it's gendered is just lying to try and be offended.

Please don't assume this. In the southern US in the late 80s and early 90s, "landlady" was a term that was very commonly used for female "landlords". I'm not sure if it's specifically regional, though.

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Post by aendruk »

ridaj wrote: post #603
aendruk wrote: post #293

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The change from “landlord” feels good. I’ve always felt a little awkward when using the word but couldn’t articulate why. Google wouldn’t be my first choice, but it’s nice that someone is able to dedicate attention to this.

What about when the landlord is a company? Or an actual man in fact? We're going from unnecessarily gendered to unnecessarily neutered word.

Like most things, it depends on the situation. The point is to find something that does work. Surely there’s room for improvement?

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Post by Tr3nton »

throw10920 wrote: post #464
CuriouslyC wrote: post #256

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The west will win the second cold war because the communist party will not be able to release its iron grip on its populace. The Chinese people only accept that iron grip now because it's carrying them up from a low place, but once that stops the constriction will become suffocating, leading to civil unrest and diaspora of the upper tier of Chinese society.

There's a saying - "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent". Even if there was some natural physical law that guaranteed that oppressive nations would eventually be overthrown/atrophy, there's definitely nothing that puts a bound on how long that will take. And, as we've seen with Ukraine, war can break out more quickly than any of us think. (also, if the social justice warriors in the We…

>if the social justice warriors in the West have their way, the US government itself would be overthrown and replaced with its own, authoritarian, but ineffective regime

The summer of 2020 was a great preview of what this dictatorship will look like once the USD collapses in value another 30-40%. Burning buildings and more statues of "heroes" like George Floyd, who stood up to White Supremacy. Remember, removing "master" from git repos was done because of the legacy of slavery in the United States.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by esrauch »

nxm wrote: post #616
la6472 wrote: post #548

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I support it and I don’t work for google. I like this feature that encourages more empathy in this strife and hate filled world.

So Google execs now decides how we speak… brave new world. You like it until it corrects you for not being woke enough

It's not like it's silently editing existing docs, it has an underline and you can voluntarily see what alternative wordings might be.

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Post by sgustard »

alex_suzuki wrote: post #513
rougka wrote: post #503

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I want to offer greenlist and redlist And to those who say this is not inclusive to the colorblind, I say traffic lights

Well yes, traffic lights are a problem, I’m red-green color blind myself. But the brain is smart enough to supply the right „color“ because it knows that red is on top and green is below. Wait a second, is that offensive towards the color green? ;-)

I've always wondered how you handle those lights at night, if you can't see the enclosure; and how you handle the occasional horizontal traffic light, which my town has one of.
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