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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by KennyBlanken »

sul_tasto wrote: post #588
sherry-sherry wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortion is not in any way comparable with this issue. Do not try and force some 'common ground' argument where is isn't one.

It seems to me both pro-choice advocates and Canadian truckers are saying, “Get your laws off my body.” The idea that a person belongs to herself or himself is fundamental to both arguments.

Oh, they very much don't want laws on their own body, but they very much want their laws on everyone else's, if you ask them how they feel about:

* government control over media (especially which is non-christian, relating to LGTBQ subjects/characters, covering the history of racial discrimination, etc)

* freedom to humanely end one's own life out of a conscious, informed decision to do so

* the right to wear as little or as much clothing as you want, including covering your head entirely

* a woman having easy, unrestricted access to contraceptives and abortion

* immigration policies (the right to travel freely in search of a better life)

* the death penalty

* how freely you should be able to end another person's life (ie very loose carry and self defense laws)

* easy, accommodating access to voting

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by st00 »

mrtksn wrote: post #591
thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

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Don't be daft. The vaccine mandate proposes a false choice: take the vaccine and carry on, or don't take the vaccine and lose your income, tenure, and status. In effect you become marginalized on the basis of a choice about your health. In Canada, it is contrary to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (a document whose status is equivalent to Canada's constitution) to discriminate against a person on those grounds.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by rpeden »

jsjsbdkj wrote: post #586
armagon wrote: post #332

> 5:05 p.m. > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he has invoked the Emergencies Act as a “last resort” to bolster the police response to convoy demonstrators and to “bring the situation fully under control.” I really feel like there were a number of "resorts" that could've been taken before this "last" one. Engaging in dialogue with the truckers and not inflaming the situation by calling the truckers names are at the…

The Ottawa Police have refused to enforce the law for 3 weeks. They've been letting this go on unchecked. The mayor is a former Conservative MPP who is not running for re-election, so he's completely checked out. The police chief is a retired former deputy who got passed over to lead Toronto's police force and came out of retirement to try and burnish his reputation so he can get into politics. The province is govern…

Not to nitpick, but Jim Watson was a Liberal MPP, not Conservative.

I know he hasn't been especially effective during all of this but there's also not much he can do since mayors here are pretty much glorified councillors.

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Post by xanaxagoras »

pm90 wrote: post #617
version_five wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think at some level most people know this, certainly Trudeau. But it's much easier to get what you want by pushing the narrative that these are racist, conspiracy theorists who think that vaccines have microchips or whatever other stuff gullible canadians actually believe people think. In my province, we have to show our "vaccine pass" to go to the liquor store, the hardware store, I don't know what else, I dont go…

> And I have to add, if there was ever a vaccine to disbelieve in, it is this one, I mean honestly, it "prevents severe infection" - sure, is that justification for state compelled vaccination? Yes it is.

That's an interesting argument, I hadn't thought of it that way before.

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Post by csomar »

jsjsbdkj wrote: post #586
armagon wrote: post #332

> 5:05 p.m. > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he has invoked the Emergencies Act as a “last resort” to bolster the police response to convoy demonstrators and to “bring the situation fully under control.” I really feel like there were a number of "resorts" that could've been taken before this "last" one. Engaging in dialogue with the truckers and not inflaming the situation by calling the truckers names are at the…

The Ottawa Police have refused to enforce the law for 3 weeks. They've been letting this go on unchecked. The mayor is a former Conservative MPP who is not running for re-election, so he's completely checked out. The police chief is a retired former deputy who got passed over to lead Toronto's police force and came out of retirement to try and burnish his reputation so he can get into politics. The province is govern…

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Post by [deleted] »

thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by FredFS456 »

mrtksn wrote: post #591
thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

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If it is happening, it would be horrible, but it would also be news to me. As far as I can tell as a reasonably-informed citizen, the government is mandating that the truckers have to be fully vaccinated in order to cross the Canada-US border. If they're not vaccinated, they're still free to transport goods within Canada.

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Post by bregma »

thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

This is simply not true.

The truckers are and have always been free to choose not to be vaccinated (or, as their leaders put it, be subject to medical experiments). By choosing not to take the vaccine they are shunned from participating in activities in which they would put the general public at greater risk of more severe forms of the disease. They have the freedom; what they want is to not suffer the consequences of exercising that freedom.

To emphasize their demands to not experience the consequences of their decisions they have driven thousands of miles to a larger city (population of Ottawa-Gatineau is about 1.5 million) and proceeded to reign anarchy and lawlessness on the innocent denizens of that location and call for inappropriate physical interactions with the prime minster who has no jurisdiction of provincial health matters but is hated and despised by this group not because of what he had said or done but just because of who he is.

Those brutes are just selfish and infantile. They have spent 3 weeks invading and partying in someone else's home. They have a right to protest without fear of government repercussions, but their actions overstepped the bounds of protest appropriate to their legitimate complaint long ago and has veered into lawlessness for the sake of lawlessness. They are no different than a grade-school bully trying to get everyone's lunch money in the playground.

What these mothertruckers should do is just say sorry and go home. It's time.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by xanaxagoras »

selfportrait wrote: post #571
thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

> I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. I’d be curious to know the type of apolitical source of news you consume, considering the flat out incorrect claims in your post.

Which claims are flat out incorrect?

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Post by wyck »

mikefallen wrote: post #601
jsjsbdkj wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Wellington St, it's Ottawa from the Canal to Bronson, and Somerset to Welligton. On the weekend it's extended all the way up Bank St. A giant no-go zone where businesses and pedestrians aren't safe.

Define unsafe

Apparently bouncy playgrounds for kids, free food, dj's and people shoveling are unsafe.
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