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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It is called coercion which is a form of force.

Are you also against the other laws that we have governing our behaviour as a collective society? For instance, you are "coerced" into driving your vehicle within a certain measure of sobriety.

This is a false equivalency. Getting vaccinated does not stop me from getting or spreading SARS-CoV2. At best these vaccines reduce severe symptoms in an individual.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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One thing most Americans don't understand about Canadian politics how much effort is put into limiting the influence of money. Corporations cannot make political donations in several provinces. Even unions can't contribute in some provinces. Individual donations to political parties are capped. On top of that, political parties have to adhere to campaign spending limits during election periods (although some do circu…

Keeping money our of Canadian politics has in no way democratized it, and I would argue the opposite. Our political leaders are dominated by a small group of elites (men from specific parts of Montreal). These incumbents would be threatened by any new money flowing into the system and would rather trade on their legacy networks. We could greatly benefit from politics being shaken up here with some outside donations.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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> I haven't seen any mass protests about at-will employment. Why not? The cases are not comparable because if an at-will employee loses a job with one employer, the employee can often find a job with another employer. > Vaccines have been required in other jobs, tests have been required for jobs, and yet no mass protests. Why not? The cases are not comparable because, as far as I know, there is no testing option in t…

> The cases are not comparable because if an at-will employee loses a job with one employer, the employee can often find a job with another employer. And so can anyone fired for not begin vaccinated, since there are many more jobs that don't require a vaccine than those that do. > The cases are not comparable because, as far as I know, there is no testing option in the Canadian regulation. It depends which jobs we're…

> And so can anyone fired for not begin vaccinated, since there are many more jobs that don't require a vaccine than those that do.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. The jobs I was referring to are Canadian cross-border trucking jobs, all of which are affected. Affected truckers may be able to transition to other trade routes, but they may face hardships (e.g., increased time away from family, lower pay, expenses for required additional training, or opportunity losses relating to non-use of expertise gained in cross-border work).

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Also keep in mind that in the backdrop of all this is the fact that our Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists. Probably inspiring someone who ran over some protesters in Winnipeg. Canadian news and politicians are desperately trying to denounce the protesters while ignoring the fact that Canada has some of the harshest Covid restrictions in the world at the moment, while the US has hardly a…

> protesters racists and misogynists That's probably because of the Nazi and Confederate flags people are waving. In my opinion, they should cry it out or quit given Canada's 1 dose vaccination rate is in the 80% range.

The use of the plural "people" here is interesting. As far as I can tell there was one Nazi flag and one Confederate flag. But they sure got a lot of media play...

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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The point doesn't stand for much, it's just your personal opinion.

Well, I commented it. Ofc it is my opinion, who else would it be? It also happens to be how reality works. Private organizations have literally always chosen sides. It’s how the world works, and I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your likes. Nothing you can do about it mate.

>Well, I commented it. Ofc it is my opinion, who else would it be?

Your "point" doesn't stand for much if it's just your opinion and you refuse to justify the reason for it.

>It also happens to be how reality works. Private organizations have literally always chosen sides. It’s how the world works, and I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your likes. Nothing you can do about it mate.

The state can always send Men With Guns to quell dissenting speech. Should we also proclaim that the government "absolutely does not need" to guarantee freedom of speech? Corporations can ultimately coerce you into accepting terms that overwhelmingly favor them, by offering services under "take it or leave it" terms. Should we say that consumers "absolutely does not need" to be afforded consumer protection rights?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I wonder how partisan this anti-mandate resistance is. My gut tells me it enjoys a lot of support from conservatives but also a healthy amount of support from a lot of moderates and a huge swath of the working class regardless of party affiliation.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

What other option is there when the government is tone deaf? They do it in France for other things and it's quite legal when there's a union behind it.

And what will the government do if the truckers finally throw in the towel like they did in the UK (or maybe it was Polish and other Eastern European truckers who chose to operate on the mainland after Brexit)?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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You may have trapped yourself in a different web of hypocritical rhetoric: Would you also be against civil rights sit-ins and GoFundMe being used to support those?

It's hypocritical because of something you imagined? Why would a sit-in, or any similar event, EVER need sponsorship? When has it ever needed sponsorship?

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Vaccines didn't used to be political.

This isn't a protest over vaccines though.

It was protesting vaccine requirements and has morphed into more because everybody loves a circus.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It's obviously a peaceful protest*. The word "occupation" here is already spin from the side that wants to shut it down and is trying to build a case for doing so. Peaceful protest involves physically assembling and making noise. That is no doubt unpleasant both for those who disagree with the protestors and those who live in the neighborhood, but the right to do this in public is fundamental and vital in democratic…

I live in Ottawa. This is not simply unpleasant noise that the residents downtown are being forced to live through. This is a large number of transport trucks and various general trucks blowing their horns throughout the day and night. There are multiple trucks driving around with train horns which are extremely loud. A lawsuit has been filed against this tactic being used by the protesters ( https://ottawacitizen.co…

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Take it or get fired. That is being forced for all intents and purposes. Shaq said it well: https://twitter.com/ginacarano/status/1489421001918083073

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What do you think would happen when truckers get fired and nobody's going to deliver your food to the supermarket or will do it for eight times the amount because they got a jab?

This is not health sector or senior home work. It's trucking. It requires minimal interaction with other people.

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