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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

Would love to know where you're meeting all these amazing girls. Online dating absolutely sucks for men with the exception of the ones who look like cover models and are over 6 feet tall. Everyone else might as well go die in a ditch.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#622

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The data is pretty clear that the only time social media is beneficial is if it leads to the formation/maintenance of long term relationships. Without that it's just entertainment, and entertainment that is not "happy" making for most.

Ok. But social media use itself has to be placed in context of the larger attention economy. For example, is it worse than watching TV/cable/netflix/gaming/multiplayer gaming/crafting hobbies/reading books etc etc? To answer my own question, I think Social Media is worse than the other options mentioned above and so I have long drifted off FB. And most of my friends on FB are continuing longstanding relationships. Bu…

The difference between liking/enjoying and gaining benefit I think is crucial here. It's akin to the difference between pleasure and happiness. No doubt the vast majority of people (if not everyone) on social media gains some pleasure from it. But as far as increasing happiness, aiding in quality of life and well-being and similar measures, it - in general - does not move the needle and not infrequently pulls in the opposite direction (in the absence of personal bonds).

The other important difference is between using social media sites as "literature" (i.e. not interacting with it but just consuming its thought-provoking and useful content, as you mention) and as a conversational medium. The former - in the absence of obviously harmful content like people showing off and then comparing oneself to them, or outrage porn, ect - is as far as I'm aware harmless and has a similar profile to reading in general.

But the constant one-off interactions, like this? It hits different. We know that consistent interaction with the same person - even if it is light meaningless interaction - has benefit. One study that comes to mind is of the daily interaction between customer and cashier every morning at the coffee shop. Believe it or not that has a statistically significant (though by no means large) positive effect on a person's mental state. Deep personal one-off conversation in person also have a significant benefit, at least in the short term.

But this - whatever this is - generally doesn't. Of course everyone is different, and obviously not everyone uses it exactly the same way, so there are outliers. But also human beings are talented at lying to themselves about the effects of things on them, often in the direction of exaggerating or inventing a benefit (and also failing at the afore-mentioned differentiation between pleasure and happiness). That's one of the big problems that researchers in outcomes studies on any number of things have to deal with. Objective observer and close other ratings of a person's happiness after say therapy or anti-depressants are often wildly less rosy than the person's self-report. We humans are often not good at being honest with ourselves.

But you are right about the "attention economy" context. We - near worldwide it seems - have little perfected the art of leisure. Our institutions have failed us, and we in turn have created little to take the place of the old ways. Our choices are too often between similarly poor options. That's probably why work and over-work have remained as popular as it has - what lies outside of it is too often stupefying. Which is one reason why I'm here now, talking with you, embracing (or stomaching) this momentary pleasure in what is perhaps a trade-off with a bit of my happiness.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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for what it is worth it was great being the last person around without a smart phone. I dont know how old you are but people use to be alone with their own thoughts. Amazing things happen if you ponder situations until satisfied with your own conclusions. the delay made for wonderful long form conversations. exchanging text like we are doing here doesnt build relationships either. if i would die in the next 20 min yo…

While I get your point, I am amused you are worried about "building relationships" with an account named throwaway14356 which kind of implies you are ready/happy to drop this account at any moment. :-) My view, not every relationship in the world is to be deeply meaningful or productive. I am happy if I get a nice thought or new angle from this blobs-of-text site.

Im not trying to stop the world from spinning. The sterile exchanges have their value.

The thing to reflect on is who you are: You are to some extend the way others see or experience you. The way you carry yourself or present yourself depends a lot on that perception.

You've changed into an entirely different creature communicating like this. We all have! All parts of humanity have changed as a rssult with huge implications.

I suppose I wish I wanted to go back. I'm still trying to figure out where we are and where we are going with this. If I wanted to go back it would mean I had that all figured out.

We get to bring non of our expensive cloths or other status symbols to the conversation, no race, sex, age, violence, leverage or accountability.

The diffence is mind blowing.

The HN kangaroo court is already hilarious but the trial by robots is many times more commical. People now build their lives on platforms that may erase them at any moment for no reason at all.

Is everything I wrote here advertiser friendly or constructive for the HN tech crusade to progress? I've never had such constrains on my personality. A new world where being generous, kind and helpfull simply isnt enough?

I could go on for days but im going to have to attend to the push notifications now. haha

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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From Tinder's ToS: > Tinder may terminate your account at any time without notice if it believes that you have violated this Agreement. Upon such termination, you will not be entitled to any refund for purchases. > For residents of the Republic of Korea, except in the case [...], we will without delay notify you of the reason for taking the relevant step. They openly say in advance that they'll ban users who they thi…

I'm not single and haven't been fora long time, but my understanding is that if you're single you can't really opt out of these apps, practically speaking. Even the norms around dating, picking people up in bars, etc. are changing because of these apps, so it's harder to find people in the real world. Not impossible, obviously, but getting banned from Tinder is kind of a big deal. (Also all these apps are owned by th…

Haha, this is ridiculous.

Picking up dates in real life is not only still completely doable, but probably easier these days due to the sheer lack of competition from men who just have no idea how to do it.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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post #523

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

I met my wife when she tapped me on the shoulder in a public place and introduced herself. I just smiled and nodded and ended up with a date - I think I might have gotten my name out at some point -- not sure. She calls me by the correct name now, 20+ years later in any case. Online dating sites/apps seem like they'd be a nightmare.

> Online dating sites/apps seem like they'd be a nightmare.

So right now it's pretty much considered impolite / not socially acceptable to ask someone out except on dating apps. This is definitely a downside.

But the upside is that a match on a dating app is an explicit acknowledgement of mutual interest, so it's clear that you're meeting up to go on a date and not just hanging out.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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post #498

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What you're actually saying is that you are unable to compete in the American dating market, and so you're moving to other less competitive dating markets where you might be more highly valued. Obviously since this is HN we can't consider the female perspective, but if we consider the female perspective, the American dating market is probably pretty good because it offers a great number of attractive white men over 6…

It's not specific to the USA, in France the situation is the same, most of the young women want the 'alpha male' so if you're not one, you have to wait until you're older.. It made being young much less pleasant than it ought to be, plus it means that we were a bit old when we had children..

And now we know why Hong Kong is basically full of French men.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#627
post #138

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

Yeah, they specifically mention that at the bottom of the screen[1] when they ban you [1] https://paulefou.com/cancel.jpg

This is terrible UI.

The app knows whether someone is a subscriber or not. The app should show the appropriate UI for subscribers, with detailed instructions on how to cancel their subscription. Additionally, if they have the user's phone number and/or email (they definitely do), text them and email them the cancellation instructions.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#628

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

To take it a step further, throw your phone away. I've been digital overseer/fear machine free for almost 2 years now, and can definitively say it's the best decision a person can make for their mental well being.

I don't think this is practical. Say you need to get home at night. Without a phone, you can't call an Uber, you can't see if there's public transit still running (schedules have changed a lot over the past 1-2 years), you can't take pictures or videos of anything you witness, etc.

In theory with a basic phone you have some inferior options (like calling a cab company and praying until the cab arrives), but in practice the world has moved on.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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You want the government to be that involved in pair-selection in the population??? I am disturbed. Eugenics aside: you know that a direct result of this is that border services, local police, etc will have access to a database of dick pics, don't you?

If they used and published a fair algorithm for matching, they wouldn't really be involved in the matching they would just be providing a venue. Similar to a city providing public space for people to meet, like a fair. Do you think the FBI, NSA, etc doesn't already have access to photos posted on dating sites in the US?

NSA match? Based on your porn search habits, google search history, amazon order history, geographic location, and a social graph based on phone record metadata we recommend you the best possible match.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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In a technology driven economy (which we are), a 25 year monopoly on a new technology is a monopoly of a market for a generation.

There are many ways to accomplish the same things. Tech companies have large patent portfolios, yet there is plenty of competition. Perhaps the biggest obstacles to competition are the network effect for social media, and brand power - people use Amazon and Google despite many equally good alternatives.

The problem is that even if there are alternative ways, it's not always profitable to find them. One clear example is drug prices. The price to manufacture a drug is tiny compared to the cost to develop a new one, so of someone has a patent on a drug that cures a disease, it's not worth anyone else's time to develop a different drug. Getting your drug approved will take years (for good reason), and at the end, you have a product that competes with another company, where instead you could just develop a different drug and get your own monopoly. As such, there are product monopolies on pretty much all drugs to treat rare diseases.
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