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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It sounds like some of the students not only threatened to report him to the Chinese authorities, but told him that they had done so, and he has proof who made these threats and claims. They didn’t try to hide it.

If they have a right to do that, is that harassment? I doubt Purdue (up to now) has any policy saying it’s illegal to report someone to authorities for something they did. Even if those authorities are not popular right now and the thing they did is ok at Perdue but not at home. Is it a ‘dick move’ and offend our sensibilities? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it’s any different than if a bunch of folks from the US were a…

> If they have a right to do that, is that harassment?

Yes. Having the right to say or do something doesn't mean it isn't harassment. But more importantly, the 'students' making these reports/threats are acting as agents of the CCP, projecting the CCP's power into an American university, and should be ejected from the country for that. What they were doing was espionage.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

>reported to the Chinese state

Chinese law requires Chinese citizens and companies to spy when asked. It's literally a law.

https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

The thing that the Purdue University President forgot to mention: Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, pregnancy, or * national origin* . Honestly, students need to understand that if they are perpetrating this violence (yes, harassment and intimidation, whether or not it is physical, is a form of violence) they wil…

These are good points, but this isn't a case of discrimination.

What is it about Purdue that makes them unlikely to take this seriously?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Please factually address my arguments rather than resorting to harassment, which is against HN rules.

Any criticism of Xi at all will suffice. And there is mountains of evidence about the thousands of innocent protesters that died that day, despite the attempts of an authoritarian government to prevent the truth from being known.

You seem to be doing the CCPs work for them. Why?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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200 Chinese students have no material financial impact in a body of 35,000 students. I'm inclined to take the statement at face value, and won't be surprised if more actions come as they work out the facts.

200 were enrolled this fall. The article says elsewhere that "Of the over 45,000 students enrolled at campus, 5,196 are of Asian ethnicity", though it's not clear how many of them are from China.

Keep in mind that 7.2% of the total population of the United States identifies as Asian ethnicity. There's no reason to expect that most of Purdue's Asian students are from China.

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Richer country, better quality of life, more personal freedoms. Not bizarre assumption at all.

> Richer country Trust me most students in US nowadays are family financial support. They are already rich. And the US do not often give enough working position for them (outside of tech, which h1b is not particularly friendly) > better quality of life This definitely is wrong. Those kids enjoyed a far better life in China than US. > more personal freedoms. Well, for what they want to do, they'll have more freedom...

Then maybe we don't let them study here if they don't need it and we don't want them?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

We have to also consider the ethical framing of “success.” Perhaps success is ripping the country apart rather than forgetting the moral blight of slavery.

Truthfully, I don’t have a good answer here myself beyond, “uh, something in between willful forgetting and never ending cross-group animus.”

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

>reported to the Chinese state Chinese law requires Chinese citizens and companies to spy when asked. It's literally a law. https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo...

That doesn't mean we should tolerate it happening in America.

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The network effect is even worse when consider a lot of the alternative are banned in china. This makes it difficult basically impossible for Chinese abroad to communicate with their friends and family back in mainland using some alternative service.

Even imagining this is suffocating for someone who hasn't grown up in such a system.

Ha! What do you think whatsapp is?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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This isn't some kids bullying another kid. These are adults representing a national government. This is a nation bullying someone inside the United States for exercising free speech. The message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana.

> adults representing a national government Legally adults, perhaps, but I think we have a social consensus that most college students are kids. Their brains haven't fully developed. If they're coming out of a brainwashed environment, they may never have been explicitly told that this is wrong; they deserve a second chance. > message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana I agree. My vote would be for a…

They're old enough to be in the army, so they're old enough to be kicked out of the country for spying.
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