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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by curt15 »

Aunche wrote: post #524
wolverine876 wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress and the US government take many aggressive actions against China. Recently, members of Congress personally visited Taiwan to express support for them. A current bill imposes sanctions on China for Xinjing human rights abuses, and President Biden imposed a 'diplomatic boycott' of the upcoming Olympics for the same reason. The Pentagon is openly focusing its efforts on China, including providing nuclear submar…

A diplomatic boycott at the Olympics during a pandemic and sanction of a dozen or so people are meaningless virtue signals. The other actions align with American geopolitical interests. What is suggested upthread is that Apple ought to sacrifice interests in order to fight China.

Have you noticed just how sensitive the CCP leadership is about its image? Every perceived slight is a black eye to them.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by allenleee »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Actually, the Diaoyu Islands belong to Taiwan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by lovemenot »

anovikov wrote: post #559
MichaelBurge wrote: post #547

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It's a mistake to treat "China" as one coherent entity with a single unified purpose, which chooses to prioritize the mapping issue front-of-mind. China has over a billion people. That one middle manager in the maps department is personally offended by territory appearing smaller, has zero relation to the rest of the country and shouldn't affect your opinion. Many bureaucrats in the USA draw stupid lines in sand that…

Because China is a dictatorship, it is OK to be seen as a single coherent entity, in my opinion.

Just as in any large political system, China cannot be entirely controlled centrally. There are three or four levels of regional and local control below the centre. It would be impossible for Beijing to administer all of that detail.

In foreign affairs, Beijing is sovereign - including anything related to the Senkaku / Diaoyu islands which are presently owned by Japan. So in this respect you are right.

For local matters, there is considerable flexibility and internal conflict. Currently, Beijing encourages citizens to find fault and report administrative issues at local levels, but will brook no dissent of its own management. In domestic administration China is less coherent than your claim.

All of the above could be equally true in a non-authoritarian form of government. I would argue that China's authoritarian politics are largely orthogonal to its degree of federation.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by pjmlp »

necovek wrote: post #598
pjmlp wrote: post #539

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I know this would never happen, but I wish people would just default to not buying products made in China....

Sure it will happen: once their products are not that much less expensive, and it's going to come quickly. The only worry is if that's also the point where their products will also be more advanced and thus more appealing regardless of the price.

Which means people just put money before morals, while bashing Apple at the same time.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by podgaj »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #250
ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

"Apple has, and will, fold to government pressure faster than a lawn chair." As a publicly-traded, trillion dollar company, where profits are at stake, this would seem to make sense. What does not seem to make sense is why anyone would believe Apple might ignore its own financial interests and those of its shareholders and deliberately sacrifice a major opportunity^1 in order to resist government pressure based on so…

Yes, corporations are sociopaths. And ycombinator funds the sociopaths.

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Post by Eelongate »

2wrist wrote: post #604
anovikov wrote: post #526

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One thing about claims (say display Crimea as part of Russia within Russia and as Ukraine elsewhere), but distorting SIZES of the places on maps according to someone's political preference is well... plain out ridiculous, laughable. It displays how messed up China is more than anything else. It's seriously hard to expect the place that does things like that, as a next superpower. You can't build a superpower on silly…

If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are. It feels silly but there are manipulative reasons to do this.

> If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are.

A consequence of the projection chosen, applied uniformly (e.g. Mercator, which also makes Greenland and Alaska ludicrously large)? Or do you mean maps that enlarged Europe specifically? Mercator is dumb (for anything other than navigation), but there is a significant difference here. China is doing the latter.

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Post by akudha »

tablespoon wrote: post #577
hutzlibu wrote: post #575

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"China's leaders are nationalists" And the US leaders are not?

> "China's leaders are nationalists" > And the US leaders are not? Way less so, as displayed in their commitments to free trade and globalization.

lol. Watched any of the previous president’s speeches, for example?

Most (all?) countries look after themselves, their borders, their people etc and don’t honestly care about others. Whether this is right or wrong - that is a different question. But let’s not pretend some political leaders are saints and others aren’t.

commitments to free trade and globalization.

Sure, because it helps their country and their economy. They aren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Global politics is not about right and wrong or love and friendship - it is about profit and loss, strength and weakness, convenience and opportunity…

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Post by errcorrectcode »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

FAANG and other megacorps enable China from doctoring maps to censoring movies.

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Post by FpUser »

raxxorrax wrote: post #587
FpUser wrote: post #430

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On a contrary. Many of them are totally dumb and things like common logic and compassion are a foreign subject to them. Here is cherry on the cake from the Australian PM: "The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia."

Well, you don't have accept the laws of nature and humanity is resisting a great deal, luckily, so that isn't necessarily something indicting. Depends on the context.

Context maters but that was pretty dumb thing to say regardless.
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