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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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post #399

Nice. Ports are back. Very nice. Prices are up. Not nice. The deal breaker is the notch. Sorry Apple I am a designer. I cannot watch this 24/7. Even if the top bar is black the notch will be visible enough to distract my visual line. The more I look at this, the more I like the Framework laptop. P.S. Happy down-voting, have a nice day and stay safe.

Can you help me understand that? I have an iPhone with a notch and I find it’s totally fine. Day to day I don’t notice it. It just kind of blends in to the design of the phone. And I assume the situation here will be the same. Most software doesn’t use the whole menu bar anyway. It wont be on top of anything except if you use that space to watch full screen video. I’m not excited about the price, but I’d totally take…

> I have an iPhone with a notch and I find it’s totally fine.

I have a Motorola with a notch and I find it's mildly noticeable and annoying. It's tolerable because it's a phone and I don't necessarily care about screen real estate maximization for a media consumption device (and because this phone is a temporary daily driver while I wait for my Astro Slide to finally ship), so I'm slightly more forgiving of e.g. the constraints on visible notification icons or the fact that Android's network traffic indicator is dead-smack in the middle and therefore "under" the notch (i.e. entirely useless unless the phone's in landscape mode).

For a laptop, it's different; judging by my workflow at my previous job (wherein I used a Mac), that'll almost certainly do funky things with either long lists of menu bar options or long lists of status bar widgets, and will almost certainly do funky things with full-screen apps that have buttons at the top of the screen. It's telling that all of Apple's full-screen productivity app screenshots on that page are on the 16-inch, which doesn't have the notch (EDIT: or maybe it does; hard to tell from the renderings); all the renderings of the 14-inch either have stuff like Zoom or show the apps as windowed. The one rendering of the 14-inch running Photoshop demonstrates pretty plainly that PS' menu bar items are right up to the notch; if a program uses more than that, what's the behavior? All items get squished? Items at the end go to the other side of the notch? Items get hidden entirely "under" the notch and become inaccessible?

GP's right, on all counts. The fact that said GP got downvoted into oblivion for daring to express a totally reasonable and legitimate opinion is disappointing, to say the least. And meanwhile, I've been overwhelmingly happy with my Framework, which doesn't resort to such gimmicks like notches and even boasts a superior 3:2 aspect ratio for yet more effective screen real estate. The M1 in these Macbooks is interesting and tempting, but a Mac Mini would readily scratch that itch just fine at a fraction of the price - especially if I'd have to use an external monitor anyway to prevent any interference with applications by that notch.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#622
post #508

Really hard to tell if the $800 upgrade from 16GB RAM to 32GB RAM is worth it since you also get a mysterious 16GPU to 32GPU upgrade.. 10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 16GB Unified Memory 1TB SSD Storage¹ 16-core Neural Engine 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display Three Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, SDXC card slot, MagSafe 3 port Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Force Touch trackpad 140W USB-C Power Adapter $2,699.00 10-Core CPU 32…

The M1 Max also has twice the memory channels to feed that GPU. Instead of a 256b wide "quad channel" memory controller, it has a 512b wide "octa channel" memory controller. That's an immense amount of bandwidth with LPDDR5.

There's an in between 24-Core GPU for less money, but it's still quite the jump.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#623
post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

And they made a new bad decision: a notch.

Switching to fullscreen keeps everything below the notch, judging from the screenshots. I'm betting they'll add an accessibility option to keep the UI below the notch as well.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#624
post #63

For me personally, they hit it out of the park -- except for the notch, which seems like a complete showstopper to me at first sight. Maybe it's not so bad in practice if games and full-screen videos keep that whole strip solid black? But almost all the screenshots are of fullscreen apps, so it seems Apple thinks it looks a bit ungainly too.

Complete show stopper? A notch?

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#625

I won't be getting one, because the M1 Air is currently more than enough for comfortable webdev, but I'm genuinely happy for people who will be getting one, because those things are incredible!

My first hope is that the Pro line leads to more ubiquitous ARM support for professional software tools.

I'm lucky that most of my WebDev workflow works fine on M1, but there are those rare instances I bump into something that doesn't work quite right. And unfortunately, these instances tend to be pretty frustrating.

My second hope is that more ubiquitous ARM support lights a fire under other CPU designers to build better high-performance ARM chips for other desktop operating systems. I've been interested in switching to Linux for some time, but the hardware/performance of my M1 Air simply has no real competition at the moment.

An ARM-powered Framework laptop running Arch is my dream.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#626
post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

I just scrolled through the posts and I felt they were laggy. I think I am already biased to 120hz even without having experienced it myself.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#627
post #498
post #35

These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…

Yes, it looks _really_ nice. Specced with the crazy graphics, and 64G ram and 2TB storage, it costs 4000$. Ouch! Is the Max CPU still fanless? (I really wish there was a matte screen option at the price point, my old macbook pro was a very expensive mirror and it puts a lot of strain on the eyes to try to concentrate on whats on screen, rather than behind it)

it costs 4000$. Ouch!

A Windows laptop from HP or Lenovo with similar specs/performance won't be cheaper.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#629
post #96

This is literally a dream laptop. Improved in every area and lacking in none I can think of right now. And the price is crazy cheap for this performance if you ask me.

Yeah I ordered two maxxed out macs for my dad and I. Price not an issue when you factor in opportunity cost.

Everything and more I need. Otherwise would need to fork up $20k for a mac pro

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