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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by hartator »

I used to listen to Joe Rogan podcasts almost exclusively when it was on Apple podcasts.

Not anymore. Shopify experience is so inferior. The thing pauses for couple of seconds every time you open it as it switches from audio to video even if you don’t want to. The new studio looks claustrophobic - not Spotify fault though. To get back to Spotify, even if you pay for premium to get rid of ads, it doesn’t! I thought something wrong with my account and never looked into it for months until I reached out to Spotify support and been told that Joe Rogan is not included! Very disappointing. Spotify also started removing controversial old podcasts from the before time! Now I have switched my routine to listen to audio books which is more random in term of content quality but at least you don’t fight the platform.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

mjklin wrote: post #516
serverholic wrote: post #315

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I've noticed that a lot of overly-confident people do this. They essentially have a list of preferred topics and always try to bring the conversation to those topics.

> What's your rap these days? Most of us have one. Is it a disquisition on the stupidity of television, the rapacity of multinational corporations, how the Yuppies had it coming to them, the thrills of motorcycling, the perils of tuna fish? Some people are always ready to mount the soapbox. (It's the twelfth time you've heard this guy's tirade and it was already boring the second time around.) > The worst sort of rap…

Everyone wants to climb to the top of the nearest hill and scream and shout that he has The Truth, but more often than not we'd be better off just shutting up: striving to understand rather than trying to preach, remaining curious rather than telling others what to think.

"In every man sleeps a prophet, and when he wakes there is a little more evil in the world."

- Emil Cioran

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by nradov »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #493
supperburg wrote: post #473

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I will read the full thing later but I find it hard to believe when you see this “Moreover, the current western lifestyle is characterized by high fat intake” Which is stated as fact when it’s not even true. Fat has been stripped out of everything. Even milk has the fat taken out of it. Look anywhere and you will see “fat free” And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be tota…

> And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be totally sure, what everyone always ignores is when saladino points out that there isn’t enough evidence to be sure of the lipid hypothesis of heart disease. This is a common, but lazy, trope trotted out by people like Saladino. It's the same "It's just a theory" argument that climate change deniers use. There is a lot of evidence…

Randomized controlled trials have failed to show a mortality benefit from reducing saturated fat consumption.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01455-4

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by casefields »

megablast wrote: post #421
beezischillin wrote: post #35

I stopped watching purely due to the Spotify deal. I was willing to give it a try until I saw that they were memoryholing episodes. I might be in the minority here but it felt like a betrayal. If he wanted more money he could’ve invested in his own platform like many others and people would’ve followed. There’s plenty of other content in the sea.

> memoryholing Who talks like this??

People who have read Orwell's 1984.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by evv555 »

yuuu wrote: post #609
hncurious wrote: post #598

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If you took Rogan's podcast and transported it back to, say, 2014, there would be no controversy. He would simply be seen as a liberal comedian having casual, friendly conversations with a wide variety of people. It's just that we're currently in the middle of a moral panic and the self righteous authoritarian hall monitor types are having their day in the sun. Just as we saw in the 80s/90s with Howard Stern who was…

The problem is that the self-righteous authoritarian hall monitors now seem to comprise the majority of the U.S. population and nearly everyone I have a professional interaction with.

Maybe not the majority but a large fraction of board rooms, bureaucratic positions. Basically anyone with leverage over your life.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by NortySpock »

david38 wrote: post #591
jnosCo wrote: post #505

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I think you're giving Rogan too much credit if you think he even for a second would care about Freedom while staring at a 9 figure check.

He absolutely does. That paycheck won’t stay that big of his popularity craters.

I got the impression it was a lump sum payout, or at least came with golden handcuffs that were purely in terms of "exclusivity and X-podcasts-per-week for X weeks", rather than subscriber count.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dalbasal »

mikewave wrote: post #517
dalbasal wrote: post #482

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

> Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. If you're interested in pushing back on this, the Podcasting 2.0 community welcomes you. Check out https://podcastindex.org/ for details. Podcast 2.0 apps have more metadata, chapters, cover art that can change like a slideshow during an episode, etc.

I am. will do.

Realizing that spotify was trying to "steal" podcasting in order to challenge youtube was a depressing thought to me. I always hoped that podcasting, as a free medium, would evolve to the point where it can usurp youtube... but not like this.

Luckily, perhaps, I don't think they're succeeding. I was a semi-loyal listener of most of Spotify's now exclusive content. Besides a select JRE episode that peaks my interest, I don't follow any of them currently.

It's not because Spotify's play is dirty. I'm just using different podcast apps, don't love spotify for podcasting and other such trivialities. As this article mentions, this is probably common. I guess a diverse selection of clients still counts for something.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by bloopernova »

sampo wrote: post #602
bloopernova wrote: post #436

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The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. The public was panic buying anything and everything. Remember empty grocery store shelves? Price gouging people who were hoarding all the hand sanitizer? When those circumstances changed, so did the advice. There's no one on earth who gets everything right first time, and thus…

> The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: > Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. They said: "We need the masks for hospitals. Please don't use masks, because they don't work for you, they only work for us in the hospitals". Why would anyone take from that that masks don't work? How/why did people believe that? They literally say that masks work. This i…

I don't remember it that way. I remember being told to make your own or buy cloth masks, and leave the N95 masks for the hospitals.

But this is too contentious an issue. I shouldn't have commented.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dalbasal »

dharmab wrote: post #573
dalbasal wrote: post #482

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

Another free medium is email newsletters, which are seeing a resurgence. Yes, you need to manage CAN-SPAM compliance and the actual protocols are a mess, but you can cobble something together with on-prem campaign software and AWS SNS for not too much money.

True fact. I'd call the medium "email" though.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by BossHogg »

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

The head of podcasting for Spotify published a medium article[0] earlier this year. If you read it you'll see every drawback of rss he lists is actually power in the hands on the consumer. They are actively opposed to openness and most certainly don't want to "improve that state for consumers."

0. https://mignano.medium.com/podcasting-rss-openness-and-choic...

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