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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mbirth »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #338
evgen wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've posted this already in another thread, but there seems to be some misinformation being spread that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. Our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a sing…

Do Windows, macOS and Linux seem "consistent"?

There's a reason people prefer one over the others. You can't have one front-end for all these different platforms. Well, you can, but then it's a compromise for at least 2 out of these 3 platforms.

Even Microsoft has "Office 365 for Mac".

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mbirth »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #181
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #169

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Yeah, and there are dozens of us -- DOZENS! -- who continue to happily use SublimeText because VS Code feels so sluggish in comparison.

And that’s a completely valid choice to make! Some people use vim and emacs because they find Sublime too sluggish. But that doesn’t make VS Code “shit”. It’s pretty much the shining star of Electron done right.

And because Electron is so great, Microsoft is working on Edge Webview2.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mbirth »

sleepybrett wrote: post #546
rubyist5eva wrote: post #250

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1Password on Linux is electron, and works wonderfully. Though, it's kind of sad for Mac users as they have been spoiled with native experiences for a long time.

Is that "spoiled" or jsut the way things should work?

This! Windows, Linux and macOS are OSes with very different aesthetics and concepts. Trying to emulate these (sometimes subtle) differences with a webpage won't work. And it will totally destroy the illusion if an OS update comes with a new theme.

And let's not forget that you're basically running a completely separate browser that can't re-use any memory from the other 5 separate browsers (=Electron apps) you need to run for work all day.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by AwaAwa »

So ease of access is really the number one driver. Perhaps I'm just old, but I remember when security was never supposed to be easy. When easy, it is taken for granted, and therein lies the failure of security. So essentially this cloud model gives everyone the illusion of security. Probably nothing new, since its all theater at a certain point.

This is not to takeaway from all the technical details of 1Ps approach to this, but (once again) in light of what we have seen from the "Trillion $ darling of privacy", enabling scanning of personal content one has to wonder how long before the same is applied by 1P. Remember your vault can store just about anything. I am sure it is only a matter of time before the case is made that we must think of the children.

Irony of all this, I'm someone who is paid to migrate customer security to the cloud. Runs counter to my thoughts on the matter, but not those making the financial decisions on all sides. I certainly don't fault 1P for making the prudent financial decision that 95% of their customers have made. As part of the 5% I shall wring as much out of 1P7 as possible and eventually move elsewhere.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by alyandon »

gizdan wrote: post #266
alyandon wrote: post #151

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Does it still do that if you click the pop-out button so that Bitwarden has it's own window?

It doesn't, but you shouldn't have to do that.

I agree - the UX of the extension isn't that great.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by drcongo »

dkonofalski wrote: post #446
kup0 wrote: post #343

I am a 1PW subscription user and am happy with the product (however, seeing they are moving to Electron means that is very subject to change...) but Saying that "customers voted with their wallet" and chose subscriptions is disingenous Ever since they've had subscriptions they've made the standalone license page extremely difficult to find on their site. They really didn't give regular users a "choice"- they dark-pat…

I disagree. When the subscription service came out, they very clearly offered both options side by side and the boxes were the exact same size, had the exact same button to proceed, and the same coloring. You were given a choice. Starting with 1Password 7's beta, they "hid" the standalone option on the site and then removed it completely and only allowed for purchasing standalone versions through the app itself but t…

It was hidden long before the 1P7 beta.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by johnatwork »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #338
evgen wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've posted this already in another thread, but there seems to be some misinformation being spread that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. Our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a sing…

So you had the beautifully engineered experience of macOS to draw native user experiences from, and then you just threw it out because you wanted parity?

That doesn't make the macOS experience better, it makes it worse.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by johnatwork »

pseudalopex wrote: post #554
jl_agilebits wrote: post #332

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The short answer is no. People often have misconceptions about Electron apps based on their experiences with a poorly written one. I've had my own fair share of bad experiences with Electron-driven apps. But the way we've utilized Electron is far different than most applications. Our Electron app is really only a thin client over a Rust-driven backend that handles all our business logic. We only invoke Typescript whe…

> People often have misconceptions about Electron > Memory is still an issue with Electron Sounds like their conceptions are correct.

This is pretty much the main point that people bring up. Followed by UX experience.

My work Slack dies at least once every day, and makes my laptop scream if I have VS Code on. I don't want to know what adding 1Pw will do.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by xanaxagoras »

KronisLV wrote: post #571
xanaxagoras wrote: post #358

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Recently set up something similar. DNS entry that resolves to a local ip, swag + letsencrypt reverse proxying to Nextcloud, all setup as containers and accessible anywhere over WireGuard. I'm pretty happy with it.

Here's a link to swag, if anyone hasn't heard of it before: https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-swag It does seem like an interesting and useful project, though there are also other more popular alternatives like Caddy: https://caddyserver.com/ (even though their V2 not being backwards compatible was a tad annoying) Oh, and some people also have pretty good luck with software like Traefik: https://traefik.io/traefi…

WireGuard has already spoiled me, every time I have to fire up my job's bloatware VPN client I get a little bummed out now.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by deadpanPotato »

vmladenov wrote: post #516
deadpanPotato wrote: post #479

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As much as I'm "meh" on Electron, I rarely use the actual 1Password App. On the other hand, I use the Firefox extension 30+ times a day, and that's about as far from a native app as you can get. So I think I'm fairly unlikely to notice a huge issue, and will instead be pleased that consolidating on Electron gives them greater feature velocity.

On the other side, I use the 1Password app extensively and make heavy use of all the different categories (secure notes, Windows MSDN licenses, etc). I’m extremely disappointed to see this turn into yet another sub-native browser-in-a-window experience.

Fair enough! Hopefully the app is as performant as they can possible get from Electron.
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