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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by p1mrx »

ketamine__ wrote: post #398
foobarian wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would buy this truck for the 11 outlets with gobs of power alone. They get it.

This is pretty awesome. https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/19/ford-f-150-lightning-elect... > “If your F-150 Lightning is plugged in when your outage occurs, Intelligent Backup Power will automatically kick in to power your home,” said Ryan O’Gorman, Ford’s energy services lead, in a video briefing prior to the reveal. “When power is restored, the truck automatically reverts to charging its battery.”

Wow, I wonder what connector that uses? They'd either have to backfeed through J1772, or backfeed through the DC pins with a house-mounted inverter.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by andykellr »

cheeze wrote: post #558
ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

> transparent info and pricing TSLA literally lies about the cost of the car on their website though. "* Costs above include potential incentives and gas savings of $4,300." Gas savings... What? This isn't some special tax credit you get, they lie about their pricing by including savings over time of ownership...

I'm not sure how you consider it lying to have an asterisk that clearly explains their calculation along with a slider that says Potential savings with said asterisk. That same asterisk is on every mention of the price on the page.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by leesec »

Unklejoe wrote: post #413
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

Autopilot is commonly lumped together with electric cars, but they’re really two completely unrelated things. It just so happens that one of the most popular autopilot implementations is on Tesla, but it could have just as well been implemented on an ICE car.

Agree in theory but no one has built in a similar sensor suite to Tesla or added a powerful enough computer chip in their cars. This roots back to Tesla treating the whole car like a unified piece of software and having much better programmatic control over it. I only mentioned autopilot because the leading EV does have it as an included feature and so when weighing options people might question why it's not there on other models.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fmakunbound »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I held out 15 years after moving to the US before I picked up a Toyota Taco. It's one of those rare life changing purchases that you wonder how you got on without.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by alexanderdmitri »

> Offering an ingenious array of connected, intelligent features with over-the-air Software Updates to help ensure your truck can get even better over time.

Anyone else think it's anti-consumer to not be able to opt out of these 'features'?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by yumraj »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> software rollout Nope, don’t want automatic over the air software update. I want it in the field when others have tried it, found issues and then I get it.

> autopilot Again, don’t want a half baked marketing-speak technology. Driver assist with sensor driven safety features are all I want. Don’t want extremely intrusive analytics and camera monitoring sure where after any accident the car company CEO would be testing how it was my fault.

Supercharger network is the only thing that will ever make me want to get a Tesla, hopefully other networks will soon be sufficient.

Yes, Ford dealerships and in fact all dealerships can be shady, but for other cars I generally don’t have to deal with them once the warranty is over. With Tesla I’ll have to deal with the company for the life of my car.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ryanmarsh »

ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

I sold cars for a brief portion of my life. The independent dealership model is more predatory and rent seeking than people understand. I'm saying it looks worse from the inside than it does from the outside. It's an entrenched financial interest as well. It will be destroyed eventually but not before taking it's toll on ordinary people who just need to buy a car.

At one time it was a useful financial tool to keep production high and reduce the shock (to manufacturers) of fluctuations in demand. Today with a streamlined and JIT supply chain, easy financing for buyers, and the internet, the independent dealerships really have to fight for every penny and the only way they can do that is by screwing you.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ffggvv »

pa7ch wrote: post #619
ffggvv wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think they are different markets. cyber truck is for affluent city people who probably never had or wanted a truck before but like the design. f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric

People are overlooking the CT saying its a lifestyle vehicle. Its gonna be lighter (unibody, structural pack, megacastings), more efficient (triangle for aero), and have better range per cost of vehicle. That has to mean something for fleet managers looking at cost. The design looks avante-guard from a consumer perspective, but its a result of making it more functional and easier to manufacture which is hard to argue…

lets see if it even ships in 2022.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ummonk »

Cshelton wrote: post #414
itsoktocry wrote: post #394

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> transparent info and pricing Sure, "transparent" pricing that can change on a whim, even after you've purchased the product. "Take-it-or-leave-it" delivery if you find flaws with your car. > Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status. Let me know when you take delivery of a Cybertruck for <40k, similar pricing to the Model 3, like the "transparent info" claims.

Tesla does not really have "Model Years". The vehicle is constantly changing week to week, and priced so. You just need to buy when you want and be happy with the product. Just like an Iphone! Also, other car manufactures actually change their prices all the time based on cost of materials, shipping, etc. The Dealer will change the price based on inventory space, cost to hold, etc. You just don't see it as much becau…

"Just like an Iphone!" - wait, what? An iPhone changes week to week? Since when?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by yumraj »

alexanderdmitri wrote: post #625

> Offering an ingenious array of connected, intelligent features with over-the-air Software Updates to help ensure your truck can get even better over time. Anyone else think it's anti-consumer to not be able to opt out of these 'features'?

> Anyone else think it's anti-consumer to not be able to opt out of these 'features'?

Yes, absolutely.

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