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Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by bronzeage »

wffurr wrote: post #620
bronzeage wrote: post #616

Most estimates of greenhouse gas emissions are misleading. Cows might emit methane and co2, but that carbon came from their food, and that carbon in their food was captured from the air, so it's actually a cycle without net increase in carbon in the air. That's unlike fossil fuels, which bring carbon from the ground into the air and actually increase the carbon in the air in the process. The only real net emissions i…

>> The only real net emissions in the process of creating beef are the fossil fuels burned in the process, from transportation I think you are drastically oversimplifying the carbon impact of modern agriculture. Artificial fertilizer production, irrigation, mechanized farm equipment all substantially contribute to CO2 emissions and other serious environmental impacts. Edit: Reading the EPA report, the sources I menti…

Correct me if I'm wrong but that agricultural impact happens for vegetarian food as well? And lab grown meat also requires the same agricultural costs, there doesn't exist some magic chemistry that creates food from raw materials without agriculture.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by wffurr »

bronzeage wrote: post #621
wffurr wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The only real net emissions in the process of creating beef are the fossil fuels burned in the process, from transportation I think you are drastically oversimplifying the carbon impact of modern agriculture. Artificial fertilizer production, irrigation, mechanized farm equipment all substantially contribute to CO2 emissions and other serious environmental impacts. Edit: Reading the EPA report, the sources I menti…

Correct me if I'm wrong but that agricultural impact happens for vegetarian food as well? And lab grown meat also requires the same agricultural costs, there doesn't exist some magic chemistry that creates food from raw materials without agriculture.

I updated my post with some details, but to that point directly it is far, far more efficient to feed people rather than feeding animals to feed people. The vast majority of cattle are raised in feedlots and fed crops from agriculture.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by kiawe_fire »

sweetheart wrote: post #36

While it is not my experience at all, I understand that some folks have certain negative opinions of Beyond Burgers, and other fake meat/imitation burgers: - The texture is off - Maybe they cook strangely - Potentially less taste But the most important thing about them, and the reason I urge everyone to at least _try_ Beyond Burgers, is they require no violence against animals. This is not an argument that fairs well…

I ended up becoming vegetarian for a while due to some video that was released years ago of factory farm workers abusing animals. I found myself unable to eat meat without bursting into tears.

In time, and in part due to how complicated this ecosystem actually is (as explained by a few other replies here) I ended up settling on eating vegetarian “most of the time” and buying meat sourced from ethical places with better conditions when I do.

But it was surprising to me how threatened most people were when I was strictly vegetarian.

I won’t turn this into a political debate with my theories why, but nonetheless most of my circle of friends are animal lovers and I would have expected some degree of empathy with my cause, but most of them acted like I was personally going to sneak into their house and steal all their meat from them.

That said, I continue to have a great appreciation for the industry of meatless meat.

Although at this point, IMO, Impossible Burger is the gold standard, and after trying it once, eating any other burger (including Beyond) just doesn’t cut it.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by knuthsat »

lambdaba wrote: post #584
knuthsat wrote: post #560

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Just like meat is not toxic, neither is seed oil. I've been eating large amounts (~1000kcal a day) of flaxseed oil, olive oil, pumpkin seed oil, coconut oil and there has been no ill-effect on my cardiovascular or general health at all, after years of doing that. This orthorexic behavior by labeling certain foods as unhealthy or healthy is the real problem. Any kind of diet needs to be accompanied by a proper lifesty…

You're evidently misinformed, I've provided references (see Dr. Cate Shanahan for one) here regarding seed oils. There is no doubt they are toxic. Glad you're healthy, but look around you. These are the worst ones: Canola, Corn, Cottonseed Soy, Sunflower, Safflower, Grapeseed, and Rice bran. Also, olives and coconuts are fruits. This idea that physical activity will balance out an unhealthy diet is wrong and has been…

How am I misinformed? These doctors are exhibiting and supporting orthorexic behavior. I'm surely not going to listen to them.

There's a bunch of papers on Neu5Gc, should I start being scared of meat toxicity?

Diet containing seed oils can be healthy. Nowhere have I made an argument that an unhealthy diet will be countered by physical activity.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by ses1984 »

jb_gericke wrote: post #345
atweiden wrote: post #292

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> I feel you. I stopped eating meat for 40 years for the same reason. But... they are on the same food chain we are, and they’d eat us in a heartbeat, right? Herbivorous ruminants like cows would never eat you, and would generally never harm you unless provoked. Breeding intelligent lifeforms in a bespoke way to murder them for cash — whatever the reason or creature involved — is diabolically evil. If you do this for…

I've been feeling more conflicted about consuming meat lately, but it's blanket assertions like this that trigger my inner libertarian hard, and I come out swinging. There is considerable evidence suggesting meat consumption contributed significantly to our cerebral expansion ( https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/701477?mob... ). Unlike most great apes today, whose diet is primarily plant based, we can…

I don't have a problem with eating meat.

I think hunting might be one of the most ethical ways consume meat.

I have a problem with factory farming because I feel like the amount of suffering involved is disproportionately high compared to other methods.

I also have a problem with the negative environmental externalities of big agriculture.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by redis_mlc »

roel_v wrote: post #463
toper-centage wrote: post #344

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There was a post of the front-page of reddit a few days ago saying that most Americans are lied to about the fish they are buying in restaurants and supermarkets. I think it hilarious when people like me, urban dwellers, tell me to my face they only buy meat from some small butcher because they only trust him, or some variation of that story. Truth is, we have no idea where our food comes from, labels lie, and seller…

"I think it hilarious when people like me, urban dwellers, tell me to my face they only buy meat from some small butcher because they only trust him, or some variation of that story." I bought half a pig some time ago; I have a copy of his (probably 'her'?) earmark here next to me on my desk. I get an invitation each year to go watch it when it goes out to pasture for the first time that year. I can choose to have th…

There's a lot of virtue signalling on HN, but this takes the cake.

Are we all supposed to walk around town with a pig carcass over our shoulder to be as woke as you?

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by lambdaba »

knuthsat wrote: post #624
lambdaba wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're evidently misinformed, I've provided references (see Dr. Cate Shanahan for one) here regarding seed oils. There is no doubt they are toxic. Glad you're healthy, but look around you. These are the worst ones: Canola, Corn, Cottonseed Soy, Sunflower, Safflower, Grapeseed, and Rice bran. Also, olives and coconuts are fruits. This idea that physical activity will balance out an unhealthy diet is wrong and has been…

How am I misinformed? These doctors are exhibiting and supporting orthorexic behavior. I'm surely not going to listen to them. There's a bunch of papers on Neu5Gc, should I start being scared of meat toxicity? Diet containing seed oils can be healthy. Nowhere have I made an argument that an unhealthy diet will be countered by physical activity.

You keep saying "orthorexic" and I keep saying "toxic", up to you to look up the info which is abundant.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by FinanceAnon »

Personal anecdote. Initially I wasn't interested in trying the Beyond Meat burgers. But recently, I've tried it once at a hotel restaurant and actually thought they tasted alright, so ordered it a few more times after, while I was staying at the hotel. Later the hotel changed the menu and didn't sell them anymore. I've ordered a normal beef burger and actually thought they taste worse than the Beyond Meat burgers. Since coming back home, I've bought the Beyond Meat patties at my local supermarket, and been making the burgers myself.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by bronzeage »

wffurr wrote: post #620
bronzeage wrote: post #616

Most estimates of greenhouse gas emissions are misleading. Cows might emit methane and co2, but that carbon came from their food, and that carbon in their food was captured from the air, so it's actually a cycle without net increase in carbon in the air. That's unlike fossil fuels, which bring carbon from the ground into the air and actually increase the carbon in the air in the process. The only real net emissions i…

>> The only real net emissions in the process of creating beef are the fossil fuels burned in the process, from transportation I think you are drastically oversimplifying the carbon impact of modern agriculture. Artificial fertilizer production, irrigation, mechanized farm equipment all substantially contribute to CO2 emissions and other serious environmental impacts. Edit: Reading the EPA report, the sources I menti…

Again you're using sham accounting. Where did that methane come from? From the food. It came into the food from the air. There are again no net emissions. Just like a company requires expenditures to generate revenue. This is misleading. That carbon was borrowed from the air and then returned. Net emission zero. You only increase carbon in the air when you take carbon from elsewhere and put it in the air. Otherwise it's a cycle with net flow zero.

Re: Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by knuthsat »

lambdaba wrote: post #627
knuthsat wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How am I misinformed? These doctors are exhibiting and supporting orthorexic behavior. I'm surely not going to listen to them. There's a bunch of papers on Neu5Gc, should I start being scared of meat toxicity? Diet containing seed oils can be healthy. Nowhere have I made an argument that an unhealthy diet will be countered by physical activity.

You keep saying "orthorexic" and I keep saying "toxic", up to you to look up the info which is abundant.

Cyanide in apple seeds is toxic in proper amounts, should I avoid consuming apple seeds, or apples completely?

Toxicity of certain compounds in meat or other foods has nothing to do with the food itself being healthy or unhealthy.

Similarly how antioxidant, vitamin or macronutrient content has nothing to do with that particular food being healthy or unhealthy.

Promoting the idea that a particular food or ingredient is healthy or unhealthy is promoting orthorexic behavior, an obsession over what to include or not include in your diet because of a made up measure of (un)healthiness.

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