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It's generally a good idea for leakers to be selective about their releases (Snowden did a better job than Manning in that area IMO). I guess Wikileaks is between a rock and a hard place, because if they started editorializing then that would lead to political bias.

They sided against the US government (and with Russia) years ago.

Except the over 70,000 documents and leaks about the Russian government on Wikileaks right now. This argument is absolute nonsense given that fact.

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This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event.

> This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event. I remain unconvinced about how close that actually was, nor have I seen a compelling case that it was that close actually made. Further, before it becomes close to "executing the Vice President", you can bet shots are going to actually be fired. Crowds of rioters behave ve…

A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason. And even then, I don't think it was anywhere near "executing the VP" but more like getting too close to the area where the politicians were being kept safe.

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You're purposefully being reductionist about this. People having their brains hit with racist or violent rhetoric over a long period of time will be changed by that. They human brain adapts to it's environment, expecting certain inputs and if it's receiving /pol light on Twitter then it starts to expect it. On top of that, it's only a matter of time before they're linked to one of the many .win site that sprang up af…

There's a huge degree of just outright horseshit here. I've been browsing /pol/ for years, hell almost decades. Its a great place to go to get an idea of just how fringe certain elements of society are becoming. I was actually actively browsing when QAnon was making his posts there. I thought they were just as ridiculous and far-fetched then as I do now. People become radicalized largely because some condition in the…

I doubt most of the people who stormed the Capitol were out of work coal miners and factory workers. Which is not to say they didn’t have things going badly in their lives, that describes a lot of people.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

#624

When you purposefully leak private data, you no longer get to hide behind the title "Security Researcher".

I find this euphemistic renaming amusing. It’s like calling a state backed hitman a ‘termination consultant’

more like a judicium Dei[0] verification specialist..

[0] trial by ordeal

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

#625

All the claims about the big tech censoring Parler got it wrong. It's not about censure. It's about legality, and Parler fucked themselves. Apple told Parler to moderate their extremist content, and Parler refused. At that point, if Apple left Parler on the App Store, Apple would be complicit. Same story played out for all the services. And guess what, treason by definition is infectious. Giving aid to an enemy of th…

Refusal to impose extralegal speech restrictions is treason? No, it doesn't work like that. See the Brandenburg case. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Illegal. Some of the content on Parler was illegal. Not extralegal. Illegal. And they refused to moderate it when asked.

Some if it has the risk of ending up judged treasonous as well, and that's all that matters to a risk averse company.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

A propaganda weapon whose founder was just back from a trip to Russia with his Russian wife and whose parent company was incorporated by Giuliani's firm while he was traveling in Russia... https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327253991936454663.html

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One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. If "protesting/rioting" includes gunning down unarmed black kids in the street (third link above), count me out. This is a highly flammable topic and we seem unlikely to agree, so I'd prefer we pause here.

A shooting happening in a protest area is not the same as armed protesters attacking the seat of the federal government chanting their intention to murder politicians.

Please don't use the passive voice [0] to intentionally obscure a crime's perpetrator.

Antonio Mays Jr. was not killed near a protest by a random passerby. He was murdered by armed "anti-fascist" protestors. They shot him in the face with a rifle. It's on camera. The killers audibly confessed to the murder. See this link [1] for the clips, if you must. The footage is disturbing.

[0] https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/george-floyd-pro...

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K0tXOBPMHA&t=1m25s

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

Yes? I wouldn't work for Parler, but I fail to see how the phrase "free speech social network" should elicit some negative emotion. Parler sucks because they are a haven to right wing extremists, not because of their marketing. Its like being angry at Signal because their encryption allows terrorists communicate securely.

Almost everything on Parler and similar sites that is not explicit calls to violence against specific targets and does not call describe black people using the n-word and does not talk about things like how the Nazis were right when it comes to Jews could be posted on Reddit in /r/conservative without violating any rules of the subreddit or of Reddit itself.

Most of it could also be posted on Twitter and Facebook, although there it might get labeled as misinformation.

It's actually fairly difficult for the overwhelming majority of people to get legitimately kicked off of most mainstream social media. By "legitimately" I mean by actually violating the site's published rules. At the scale of these sites there are occasional mistakes made where someone gets banned who shouldn't, and it can be difficult to get that reviewed, but nevertheless for most people those sites are "free speech social networks".

Because of this, when you start a site like Parler you get almost all of your initial membership from those people who got kicked off of Reddit, Twitter, etc., or who are having to work at not getting kicked off because they want to post calls to violence, etc.

That sets the tone for the site from then on. Hence, when a site is specifically selling itself as a "free speech social network" it almost always can correctly be interpreted as "a social network for extremists who could not follow basic norms for civilized discourse" for some X.

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This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

You still cannot threaten physical violence. This imaginary prospect that 'free speech' includes threats is stupid. And of course any individual still can block you. It is literally the same as Twitter.

> It is literally the same as Twitter.

Pretty much.

What I find troubling is that despite containing the same cesspool of vile content, Twitter never got booted from Google and Apple App stores, and AWS.

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