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Lowers the risk you are infected and infect other people and/or take a bed in a crowded hospital
> Lowers the risk you ... infect other people Not necessarily: > Pfizer chairman: We're not sure if someone can transmit Covid after vaccination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25298299 People that don't know that might be confident they don't need to keep distance or wear a mask anymore.
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Why is it your civic duty? What will you having this vaccine do for anybody but yourself?
Lowers the risk you are infected and infect other people and/or take a bed in a crowded hospital
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I won’t be getting it, on principle. But the vaccine itself probably won’t hurt, if you don’t care about the context.
> on principle. What principle?
- They think it will be bad for their health or public health
- They think it is some UN microchip plot
- They have a moral objection to how it was developed
- They think it is the actual “mark of the beast” from the Bible
The people who decline will be in the minority (at least visibly), and they will be bullied relentlessly by the visible majority, so to protect our rights I have to stand with them.
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"So much faith"? People are just following the science. Are you really arguing that because one bad situation has occurred involving pharmaceutical companies, we should assume every new drug or treatment is bogus or based on evil motives?
In 2020 there’s science and The Science. The latter seems to be more religious in its application and what it means to its devotees. That makes life difficult.
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It wasn't necessary to copy/paste this eight times.
Just replying to each conversation and I'm lazy so couldn't muster a unique response for each person :) I'm sorry if I offended you with my copy/pasting EDIT: One of my responses had a little extra tacked on so I'm deducting one apology from you
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It will help stop the spread
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the people first vaccinated will be in health care, and anecdata (most of my extended family and friends across social backgrounds and regions of the country work in the field) indicates these people are, in the general case, diligent about social hygiene practices. a vaccinated person who is still wearing a mask when inside in poorly ventilated public spaces when not with their family unit in their home is no more dangerous to the public than someone doing all of that who is unvaccinated.
vaccinated people have immunity ~10 days after vaccination. assuming vaccination of the population proceeds steadily, and everyone practices diligent social hygiene, eventually the pool of vaccinated people sink the R value below 1.
it is at this point that we will be turning the corner.
i will note that all of this applies to pfizer because their study design did not test asymptomatic trial participants. this means we know the pfizer vaccine helps people not get sick. however, i believe moderna did test all trial participants periodically even when asymptomatic and their measurements of effectiveness were on par.
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It wasn't necessary to copy/paste this eight times.
Just replying to each conversation and I'm lazy so couldn't muster a unique response for each person :) I'm sorry if I offended you with my copy/pasting EDIT: One of my responses had a little extra tacked on so I'm deducting one apology from you
If you write a comment you think is good, once is enough.
I dont think there is room for ambiguity here. When the government calls you for your shot are you going to say: ill do what you ask of me? Or are you going to say: nah thanks/ Just let me wait a bit and then maybe? The choice in this case is pretty binary. You dont get to have your cake and eat it too.
With it being a seasonal jab you probably can :/