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Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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This would never be a direct action. But they don't have to go out of their way to inform either. Do you think Facebook's right wing oppo research firm would balk about leaking a story that a competitor's phone is vulnerable? Absolutely not.

Merely leaking it would be of no consequence. They could even do it directly as a blog post from their security team. Attempting blackmail would be the trouble.

> Attempting blackmail would be the trouble.

The point being made is that the blackmail is unsaid and implicit.

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Yes, and more to the point, they cut off Facebook and Google for distributing unreviewed apps to the general public. So the violation was using the enterprise key to evade app review by Apple. Which Apple does to protect its customers. And so Apple is just protecting its customers.

Facebook already got their access back, I assume the block on Google won't last all that long, either.

Yes, and revoking the enterprise key wasn't punitive. It was the only way to reliably kill the violating apps.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Siri isn't a search engine, it is a front end to a search engine[1]. That used to be Bing but now it is Google (see: http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/google-bing-default-iphone/ ) There was a time when the Siri folks approached Blekko (which was an actual search engine with its own index, crawler, and ranking Etc. to discuss partnering with Apple (personally I think they should have bought us :-)) But, according to peop…

Here's what I wanna know: to what extent does Google actually "have a phone"? I mean, when I think about Apple, I think of a company that designs the look, the internals, the case, the glass, the board layout, and even some of the chips. (Sure, they contract the manufacture out, but Apple is deeply involved with designing components on a low level -- not merely farming it all out to some device maker in Taiwan or Chi…

Its a fair question, when I was there Google was all over the design of the handsets (the original 'Dream' phone), they did the Nexus One with HTC, after I had left, they bought Motorola Mobility which did the Moto phones and that group mixed in with the Android handsets folks. Then Lenovo bought it from them.

Google's biggest challenge was customer support, they just didn't do the whole "someone to pick up the phone and talk to you" thing.

So I'd say, they have a core capability to do handset design (perhaps some of it residual) and they likely strongly influence the hardware they sell. Is their bench as deep as Apples? No.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Presumably FB got it back after signing in blood that they were only going to use this for internal, non-public releases

I believe Apple will do everything they can to keep them from abusing the ToS, but I also believe Facebook will try to work around any and every restriction applied to them.

Yeah, well, but Apple can always reject apps that violate their ToS, or revoke keys used to work around that. So ultimately Facebook can't win.

Except if they force Apple to nuke all of their apps, which would put Apple in a difficult position. But perhaps Apple could sandbox apps, and prevent them from doing stuff that violates ToS.

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1099s are only required if more than $600 is paid in a year. You are a "contractor" if you are providing services under a contract. A contract exists whenever there is a definitive agreement to exchange valuable considerations – even in the absence of a written, signed contract. But the sign-up for these apps might have included an explicit "signing" phase! (It's even possible that FB/Google asked for participants' S…

Apply some common sense here. A contractor charges money for their time. $20/mth is what I’ve read they were paid. That means anything more than 2 hours of work is breaking minimum wage laws.

And it could easily be less than 2 hours of effort per month to install/update the app and answer occasional questionnaires. But even if, outlandishly, a minimum wage violation, if they’re being paid under a contract, they’re ‘contractors’.

(And if they’re under any sort of confidentiality agreement or other conditions on their app usage, they fit under the Apple terms’ concepts of “Permitted Users” and “Internal Use” even better.)

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Not under protest, but for profit. The current figures are not public, but Google pays billions annually to Apple to remain the default search engine on iOS.

Do you think aapl needs google's "billions"? No, they're making way more money selling "privacy" and building a solid search engine to replace google is high priority for them.

>and building a solid search engine to replace google is high priority for them.

What are you basing that on, exactly? Apple doesn't exist in a market simply to "be" in that market. That's why they jettisoned things like their Airport routers

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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I forgot that all payments to C-Corps or S-Corps are exempt from 1099 filings, so yes, as long as Netflix remains a C-Corp, there's no need to file. (That's a matter of 1099 tax law, though - it's still a contracted relationship. And so while it is uncommon to think of them as a 'contractor', that's what Netflix is, when delivering a service for payments under the terms of a contract.)

I don't know how many people have to keep explaining this to you. "Contractor" is a term of art that has specific meaning with regard to employment and contract law. You're using what is known as a "cute trick". Judges are rarely amused by "cute tricks". Like a Sovereign Citizen believer you can keep claiming to be correct all the way to a loss in court, followed by denied appeal after denied appeal.

Separate from tax and employment regulation, ‘contractor’ is also plain language meaning “someone under contract”. If these people weren’t paid what they were promised, they could sue for breach-of-contract.

There’s no trickery here: that’s the ordinary legal meaning, and it is those who insist on only the far narrower regulatory/tax ‘contractor’ category who are playing semantic tricks.

It doesn't matter how many people "explain" falsehoods, like the idea that minors can't enter contracts (even with parental permissiion), or that a person being paid by a company under the terms of a contract is not a 'contractor'. They're wrong despite their multitudes.

Compare this account from a reporter at VentureBeat – who also happens to be a member of the California State Bar – who makes similar points as I have, about how compensated panelists are “arguably limited purpose ‘contractors’ providing data solely for the developer’s research purposes “:

https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/31/the-odd-reason-apple-kill...

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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> Facebook and Google did sign it and distributed their software based on it. I think we're talking past each other here. I'm not talking about how Facebook and Google's spy kits were licensed to the end users or about their compliance with Apple's own vendor license. I was pointing out that the principle here is that I (and Facebook and Google) should have the ability to write and distribute software for you (and me…

What kind of principle is that it without rules? Free speech doesn’t allow libel and slander. Free assembly doesn’t allow riots. Without a framework for meaningful justice, the high minded principle is just a race to the bottom. I should be able to have the freedom to choose a platform where I have some protection against the various bad actors out there. Without Apple, the only options we have is non-participation,…

> Free speech doesn’t allow libel and slander

What? Very absolutely it does. It just doesn't protect from the consequences.

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> paid enterprise service to distribute their software that's the problem - why should this service exist in the first place? It's extortion to have to pay to distribute apps to people who want them, on devices they own themselves.

Not really. Give me your code, and I can upload it on to any iPhone I want, without paying a cent to Apple.

Not without violating the ToS and jailbreaking (voiding warranty).

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With focus on privacy Apple successfully reducing users wanting freedom. The marketing now seems to indicate that if you want freedom then you loose privacy.

Yes. Because it is technically almost impossible, if not completely impossible, to build a system that gives your code absolute freedom while not giving other code running on the system absolute freedom as well. There will always be the possibility that some company will ask users to their absolute freedom ability to give them absolute freedom. Which is basically exactly what happened in this case. The only differenc…

Protecting the users is marketing speech. The users had given consent. This was Apple using its control over app distribution.
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