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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by AsyncAwait »

listic wrote: post #611
sametmax wrote: post #547

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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

Does mobile Firefox come with Ublock Origin built-in?

Not built in, but you can install it as easily as on the desktop.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by prossercj »

Hm, my first thought is "will this work with carlo?" [0].

I'm excited about that project, but one big downside is that Chrome has to be installed. It would be great to write desktop applications that render through a browser, without having to either download Chrome (like carlo) or bundle it (like electron).

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18355345

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by glenneroo »

sfink wrote: post #595
glenneroo wrote: post #567

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Firefox doesn't restore after closing either until you enable "Restore previous session" in Options. I just re-installed Windows and FF last week and this bit me the first time after a reboot. As for tab-heavy users, I find FF Quantum to be horrible in this respect, and I keep missing Chrome, which allows a ton of tabs and resizes them, albeit slightly unreadable after ~40-70 tabs, but at least I can see the icon, wh…

Why do people still use tabs on the top? Tabs on the side is so much better. I use Tree Style Tabs. It's a pity firefox still doesn't support it properly by allowing the top tabs bar to be hidden without userChrome.css hacking. I just ignore the top ones for now.

I can't find the parent to my comment.. but I'm fairly certain this thread was talking about default-installs of browsers, of course a lot of complaints can be fixed with plugins, but how many users actually go through the trouble? If a high enough percentage of Chrome users were installing uBlockOrigin on Chrome, I'm sure Google would do something about it.

Regarding Tree-Style Tabs... I wish I could agree with you, I have been trying various Tree-Style Tab plugins on multiple occasions over the years, often for months at a time... before always giving up out of frustration and resorting back to tabs on top. I honestly can't tell you the exact reasons, but it's generally a frustrating experience... initial transition takes a couple days, plus issues like lack of proper hotkey support e.g. tab/ctrl-tab for tab switching, ctrl-f4 to close a tab, ctrl-t to open a new tab, some or all of those hotkeys tend to not work properly. Multi-screen support was also... lacking, for lack of a better description. There were various other minor annoyances and quirks with every plugin... and I tried various plugins for FF and Chrome before ditching all of them. I will probably try again soon, now that FF Quantum has been out for awhile, hopefully more plugins have been created.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by AsyncAwait »

13years wrote: post #596
sunaurus wrote: post #321

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What specifically do you find better in the Chrome devtools? I find Firefox devtools to be slightly nicer (but I don't really think either one has a massive edge over the other).

1. speed. On a million+ line code base chrome starts the app in about 5 secs. Firefox over a minute. 2. Blackboxing. Easy to setup and configure in chrome and you can preserve you settings. 3. Blackboxing combined with event breakpoints. Chrome lets you set event break points and combined with black boxing will drop you right into your code on an event. This is awesome.

Just tried a cold start, Firefox took less than 3 secs to start, granted it's on an SSD. What OS are you using? I've heard it's less optimized on a Mac than on Linux.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ako »

welly wrote: post #503
ako wrote: post #237

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Well, it's better than two parties that are putting all their energy into fighting each other, instead of governing a country in hot best way possible for its citizens...

North Korea, Soviet Union, China, Syria, East Germany. Take your pick.

That doesn't mean that every single party government is worse than 2 parties...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by gpvos »

Could Microsoft at least open-source their Edge code, so others can develop it further? It's really important for the openness of the web that we don't get a Chromium/Webkit monoculture.

I'd also like to see if there is any way the Opera source code could be opensourced.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by thrownaway954 »

MarkMc wrote: post #615

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why did Microsoft create a web browser in the first place? Did Microsoft make any more money by having control of the dominant web browser? They could have just let Netscape win. Later when Google demonstrated the value of search, Microsoft could have just shipped Firefox with Bing set at the default search engine. Microsoft wouldn't have had to pay for decades of browser devel…

You're a definitely a programmer and not a marketer. When you control the product, you control the experience.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by gdfasfklshg4 »

sametmax wrote: post #547
headmelted wrote: post #310

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again.

I use Firefox. I always have. My experience is totally different to yours. Before FF57 it was a single process and it ran nicely on a 4GB machine with a 2009 Intel Atom processor. Afterwards it became much hungrier for memory and processor. I had to buy a new computer. (I tried Chrome of course but it is hungrier.)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by throwaway2048 »

senorjazz wrote: post #557
sergiosgc wrote: post #532

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Do you mind listing mainstream sites that have serious glitches on Firefox? It's my main browser, and I can't remember one single mainstream site that glitches on FF.

Not mainstream sites, but I do seem to come across more sites that I have to open Chrome for. I used to put it down to my plugins, but there are some sites (which of course I cannot name) that don't work, even with noscript / ublock disabled.

more sites than what?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pndy »

bayindirh wrote: post #608
pndy wrote: post #607

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Edge uses forked Trident (named EdgeHTML) which was stripped of legacy code and tries to be compatible with WebKit engine: https://www.neowin.net/news/whats-powering-spartan-internet-...

That's also what I tried to say in my previous (grandparent) comment, no? :)

Was reading about Edge before posting comment so I guess I was bit too late to help :P
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