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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by apexalpha »

isostatic wrote: post #374
Symbiote wrote: post #315

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> Running Linux, of course. I wish more people would. That's the best way to get any issues fixed, whether by filing bug reports, writing up a workaround on a wiki or Stackoverflow to help others, or fixing the bug. It's important for us to own our own tools, and keep the right to do with them as we wish. We expect this for our servers, but ignore it for laptops and desktops. If developers continue like this, then us…

What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005. I do have a problem reading visio files though. I have a solution, I tell them to f-off and send me a pdf if they want my views.

>What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005.

Come on, we all love open source here, but let's be honest: this statement is false.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by Milner08 »

douglaswlance wrote: post #620

Let it be known that I for one like the new clicky keyboard. It is better than the squishy ones from yesteryear. I'm hoping they're progressing toward some kind of haptic keyboard that is entirely sealed so the MBP can be waterproofed.

I agree I actually prefer the new keyboards and I've not seen any issues yet. Although my opinion may change if I do.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by brian_herman »

Symbiote wrote: post #315
dleslie wrote: post #252

I like machines that are built to take a beating. My penultimate laptop was an HP Mini 101; I only replaced it on a whim, and still use it from time to time. The keys have been worn to be smooth, concave and most are missing the printed text. When I last opened it up to add an SSD a suprising amount of sand came pouring out; having been taken to many beaches, tossed in bags, and generally used outdoors it had accumul…

> Running Linux, of course. I wish more people would. That's the best way to get any issues fixed, whether by filing bug reports, writing up a workaround on a wiki or Stackoverflow to help others, or fixing the bug. It's important for us to own our own tools, and keep the right to do with them as we wish. We expect this for our servers, but ignore it for laptops and desktops. If developers continue like this, then us…

How does hdpi work on kde?

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by sbuk »

reitanqild wrote: post #447
stef25 wrote: post #422

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FWIW, my Macbook (not my primary machine) cost me 400€ second hand and I spent another 100€ upgrading to 8GB Ram and an SSD drive. It's a ten year old machine which runs like a dream. I challenge anyone to find a better computing solution for 500€. You could install Linux on a 500€ laptop but you wouldn't have the keyboard or screen quality of the Macbook, nor would have access to the Apple ecosystem. A lot of progra…

> You could install Linux on a 500€ laptop but you wouldn't have the keyboard or screen quality of the Macbook, nor would have access to the Apple ecosystem. I used a 2009 MacBook pro for close to 3 years. The following are my opinions, they are not valid for everyone but for some of us they are very valid: Keyboard had ctrl in a different spot than every other keyboard I ever spent significant time with. (Disclaimer…

>I also wish people would understand that Macs are not the best choice for everyone.

I agree totally. Equally I wish that every Linux user (especially here) stopped hailing the system as a panacea. This whole debate is trite.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by matchbok »

douglaswlance wrote: post #618
no1youknowz wrote: post #408

Apple. This issue is seriously simple. Take the previous design, you know the one from late 2012 to 2015. If you must (sigh), take out the SD card, HDMI, USB A, MagSafe and replace with USB-C. I don't know who suggested this, but whatever. Don't add in a touch bar. Don't add in an over sized touchpad. Leave the keyboard alone. The layout of the model is amazing. I purchased a late 2012 in Jan '13. It's been my daily…

You can get a 15" old chassis MBP with new components: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MJLQ2... What are you waiting for?

Graphics chip :(

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by nobleach »

pedrocr wrote: post #507
admg wrote: post #397

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I'd agree with that, I run stock ubuntu on a thinkpad t460p. I have only one issue which is that display scaling is not fractional, its in set values which doesn't play well with resolutions above 1080p. Thats a gnome issue though and doesn't stop the screen working perfectly when the resolution is set to 1080p instead of 2550x1440 or whatever it is.

This is trivial to fix actually. Ubuntu 16.04 had "fractional" scaling by default but in reality all it did was between 1x and 2x use 1x with larger fonts. 18.04 lost that with the gnome transition but you can just change the font scaling manually. Less convenient and polished but still there in the tweak tool. Firefox also includes a scaling option in the configs. With those two settings my T460s with the 2560x1440…

What happens when you plug in a second monitor?

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by dizzystar »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #357
Symbiote wrote: post #315

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> Running Linux, of course. I wish more people would. That's the best way to get any issues fixed, whether by filing bug reports, writing up a workaround on a wiki or Stackoverflow to help others, or fixing the bug. It's important for us to own our own tools, and keep the right to do with them as we wish. We expect this for our servers, but ignore it for laptops and desktops. If developers continue like this, then us…

And why do you think that a lot of people who are painfully aware of all the issues you mention still refuse to use Linux on a laptop while happily using it on servers? There is a riduculous repetitiveness about this debate. For me and many others, Linux on a laptop has always been unstable, insecure, hot and noisy. Many specific issues can be fixed if you put in the effort, but on almost every dist-upgrade something…

The problem is that "Linux" is ambiguous. A comment below is agreeing and they use Debian. I've heard of Ubuntu being flakey. I used Fedora and Arch for years with zero issues (this is shocking to people who prefer LTS systems). CentOS is a trainwreck.

Take any OS, twist the wrong knobs, and you're looking forward to a long night.

Mind that the priorities of the user are different. Most people, including programmers, aren't concerned with using all the utilities of Linux land. Programmers have eyes too, and likewise enjoy aesthetics.

For programming, I'd use Linux over MacOS any day of the week, but for music, MacOS is the clear winner.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by walshemj »

garganzol wrote: post #471
jarym wrote: post #418

Stupid Apple - I blame Schiller. They won’t support 32Gb ram because it might decrease battery life and requires them to reengineer the logic board but they’re totally cool with a fragile ass keyboard GLUED to a battery! Really there’s no way to call this anything other than insanity. I remember the media used to talk about the ‘halo effect’ - well I’m someone who has Almost every MBP between 2002-2012 and every iPho…

At same boat as you, and just have migrated all my activities to Windows on 64 Gb Core i7 8 gen CPU desktop. It's a real booster for my day to day work. I love and miss the aesthetics of macOS and Magic Mouse swipes. However let's face it, Apple alone cannot stand the pace. It just cannot compete with hordes of companies from all over the world who do their part of job really really good. Gigabyte, ASUS, Samsung, Int…

I started to get cramp in my little finger using a magic mouse eventually I switched to an old ps2 ms mouse (the classic that they have just reintroduced) that I had stock piled years ago

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by laken »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #568
rbanffy wrote: post #506

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The ergonomic/natural/arc keyboards are, by far, the best products Microsoft ever sold. I do love the Apple trackpads, however. There is no better way to work on a Mac. As for my Linuxing, I have a Unicomp "Battleship" (PC122 keyboard) that's loud as hell, but has the best feel since the beam spring keyboards God added to the IBM 3270's when it made them in the 6th day.

Trackball is way better than any trackpad for me. I have three Microsoft Ergonomic keyboards. Two of the Surface ones and one of their cheaper ones which is about $20 at a BestBuy.

My favorite combo is similar - Microsoft Ergonomic Sculpt & Logitech M570 "thumball" trackball mouse.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by karmakaze »

Apple Designed rather than Engineered their downfall. I never liked how engineering served form more than function in things as simple as thin power cords that always fail on me. One exception is the 13" unibody. I almost prefer they did it knowingly for accessory sales because it seems more rational.
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