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From what I’ve heard, there’s a bunch of mostly unused land south of the football stadium that has been slowly being bought up over the last year or so. Obvious speculation is that it’s either Amazon or someone betting that Amazon will want to buy a big chunk of land near downtown...
Would be a pretty big slap in the face for all other "contestants" if it turns out that Amazon intended to move to Atlanta all along and this whole thing was only for publicity and leverage.
Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
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Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#622Earlier quoted context omitted.
50,000 new non-McJobs as well as the follow on service jobs is no benefit to the local population? Tell that to all the non-silicon valley mini-tech hubs like Austin, Seattle, Miami, Dallas, etc. If amazons foothold is the seed for a new techhub to emerge, that's a true net boon for that city and its people / culture.
It's beneficial in an overall sense, but it sucks for the many individuals and families who will be gentrified out of the city, because they don't have the skill/background/age/race/gender to partake in the new orgy.
1) Support the 50k jobs, but want extra effort to be taken to support existing populations/communities
2) Prohibit the 50k jobs so things can stay the same
3) Let the 50k jobs go elsewhere so they're not a local problem
4) Something else entirely that I'm missing
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#623Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact of the matter is that cities in the U.S., with respect to each other, are in a race to the bottom. There is nothing they can do about it: the Constitution mandates an unrestricted internal market with no barriers to the free flow of goods and capital between states. That means that companies will go wherever they can get the best deal, and there is no way for state and local governments to restrict that move…
You're saying two entirely conflicting things here. You're saying "cities in the U.S., with respect to each other, are in a race to the bottom" (not that being well-run and having low taxes is a bad thing in my opinion...), and then you said New York and San Francisco don't have to play along, presumably since they're competing on value rather than price. I think it's obvious that Amazon's not looking solely for the…
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#624Nice to see Toronto on the list, though game theory suggest that we're only here because having a Canadian Candidate has the potential to have all 3 levels of government involved rather than just state and city. I'm not really sure how to go about handicapping the finalists. Given the current political climate, Toronto is interesting because it's the only city that gives Amazon some escape form the US government. You…
"a strong existing tech workforce and universities" Hate to say it, but Northern Virginia and Raleigh have Toronto beat on this
Workforce? Arguable. You may have a point.
But universities?
The Research Triangle has 2 really good schools: Duke and UNC. State is OK.
The Greater Toronto Area has the University of Toronto, Waterloo, McMaster, all of which outrank State. Waterloo and Toronto are especially strong, and beats Duke and UNC in technical disciplines.
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#625Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's just evidence the southern states suck as business locations. They can only get companies to move there by bribing them. Contrast with San Francisco and New York City, where they have tons of taxes and no shortage of companies wanting to be there.
> That's just evidence the southern states suck as business locations New York and San Francisco didn't do anything to be New York and San Francisco. Their market power is the product of happenstance. In any event, that's irrelevant. If you're Acer, you can't pursue the same business model that works for Apple. All you can do is internalize reality and do the best you can for your stakeholders with what you've got to…
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact of the matter is that cities in the U.S., with respect to each other, are in a race to the bottom. There is nothing they can do about it: the Constitution mandates an unrestricted internal market with no barriers to the free flow of goods and capital between states. That means that companies will go wherever they can get the best deal, and there is no way for state and local governments to restrict that move…
You're saying two entirely conflicting things here. You're saying "cities in the U.S., with respect to each other, are in a race to the bottom" (not that being well-run and having low taxes is a bad thing in my opinion...), and then you said New York and San Francisco don't have to play along, presumably since they're competing on value rather than price. I think it's obvious that Amazon's not looking solely for the…
Cities are the same way. Between New York and San Francisco on one hand, and Gary on the other, there are dozens of perfectly fine cities and the only reason to pick one versus the other is how good of a tax deal you can get. Nobody is going to pay a significant tax premium to be in Columbus versus Raleigh.
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#627Nice to see Toronto on the list, though game theory suggest that we're only here because having a Canadian Candidate has the potential to have all 3 levels of government involved rather than just state and city. I'm not really sure how to go about handicapping the finalists. Given the current political climate, Toronto is interesting because it's the only city that gives Amazon some escape form the US government. You…
According the housing crisis, there's absolutely no buildable land left anywhere in the Greater Toronto region.
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Universities often base tuition on residency status that they determine. So a foreigner living in a state could get in state tuition. (and a citizen that only recently moved to a state might get out of state tuition)
That is incorrect. You need to be a permanent resident or citizen to be considered for in-state tuition.
https://www.suny.edu/smarttrack/residency/
Non-resident students, including undocumented students, who attend for at least two years and graduate from a New York high school may be eligible for resident tuition. See the campus Student Accounts Office (Bursar) for details and to apply for resident tuition.
https://admissions.tc.umn.edu/PDFs/ResidencyReciprocity.pdf
Nonimmigrants residing in this country or state under a temporary visa that bars them from establishing domicile in the U.S. (visas B, F, H [H4 visa holders who have graduated from a Minnesota high school should contact the Resident Classification Office on campus about their resident status.], J, O, and M) shall be classified as nonresidents. Nonimmigrants holding a valid temporary visa that does not bar them from establishing domicile in the U.S. (visas A, E, G, I or L) may be considered for residency, assuming they otherwise meet the Basic Definition of Resident Status.
An then many states seem to recognize refugee and asylum visas, which aren't the same as permanent residence (but that is more of a technicality compared to the above).
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
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That's balanced by the increase in tax base from 50,000 jobs and investment of billions in the local community.
No it's not balanced, that was my whole point. Yes there will be an increase in tax base, but it won't cover the increase in expenses. If it does then it implies that the current businesses are overtaxed.
Re: Amazon announces candidate cities for HQ2
#630Part of me would love to have a big tech / infrastructure company like Amazon in Philly. But I take serious issue with the idea of the city paying millions or billions to bring them here, promising years of tax breaks (a free ride), and the tightening of an already very tight real estate and rental market. I don't think my fellow Philadelphians should have to pay to bring a company here that's just going to hire peop…
http://www.techinmotionevents.com/blog/post/2017/05/04/the-2...
That being said, I do not like what Amazon has done to Seattle. The culture, infrastructure housing, etc, etc. I have been hoping that they don't end up in Philadelphia. I feel one other big player, then more startups would be good. I guess put another way some new blood. As the east coast feels a bit old blood at times.
As noted with the tax breaks to Comcast the other resident tech giant. The city needs more investment, not more tax cuts. There were issues with septa, schooling, public services, etc.
I did a few stints at Comcast. It was a good place to work, but they weren't pushing the boundaries generally. There were some internal teams that were pushing tech. Contributions to OpenStack was very large. Some video encoding stuff, but I think that team was largely located elsewhere. To get to the more technically advanced stuff you needed several rounds there.
Comcast in the meetup scene though was great. A number of directors and seniors presented at software as craft, devops, various code katas. I also knew a number of comcast employees going to the open philly code meetups. See for the cities open source stuff.
https://github.com/CityOfPhiladelphia
There was a definite real estate boon when I left. With a number of areas being built up. But there was also gentrification issue as well. I lived down in Grey's Ferry area for a bit. The post office had been closed, and the local grocery store I think path mark as well. It went from a nice little area to a bunch of bodegas and boarded up houses. It was very hostile trying to force the people to leave to make room for improvement/rebuilding. I think something was going on around temple university. With subsidies being ended or modified.
The city has it's problems for sure, but it's still a great place.