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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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But is js really needed on such a page? Wouldn't css-grid do the job just fine?

Because 1/100000 of their customers might have JS turned of?

The global average it's 0.2% or 1:500, however Taiwan averages 2.3% though Android tablets hit 9.6%. And, some websites see significantly higher rates.

https://blockmetry.com/blog/javascript-disabled

LTDR; Supporting non JS users tends to be very cheap, so it's often well worth the investment.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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>> Devices shouldn’t become outdated every year. They should evolve with you. I really don't understand this sentiment. I've still got my iPhone 6 Plus. I haven't seen the need to upgrade yet. It does absolutely everything I want. At this rate, the only reason I'm going to upgrade is if I destroy my phone somehow (I've yet to even put a major scratch on any of my smartphones over the years) or if a vendor comes out w…

> I've still got my iPhone 6 Plus. I haven't seen the need to upgrade yet. It does absolutely everything I want. That's hardly an old phone. Do you see yourself still using it in 3 years time?

> That's hardly an old phone.

In the smartphone business, it's practically an antique.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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> - And physical keyboards. Something for SSH'ing with. There is no market for this product. Nobody wants it except a tiny fraction of the market who work in IT.

Blind, partially sighted, and arthritic folks can all benefit from physical keyboards. Blind and partially sighted might be a smaller niche, but older folks with arthritic hands are a huge population. It's hard to be exact on a virtual keyboard when your eyes and fingers don't work the same as younger, able-bodied person.

No, they benefit from the the magnifying glass feature, VoiceOver, and the ability to do voice to text input

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Totally agree. My question is, how do you verify the fabs are trustworthy? Genuinely curious - I'm actually trying to answer this myself at the moment. The best I've come up with is, go to >2 fabs, have them deliver wafers but not saw them, scan and compare the wafers using trusted equipment, then take the wafers back to the fab for sawing. The last step is the biggest issue; you could be bait-and-switched. Sawing do…

It's much harder for the fab to backdoor things than any other stage, and it also takes time for them to prepare such an attack once they have your GDSII files. So it would show up as a manufacturing delay. For anything other than milspec this probably isn't worth worrying about at this time. Also, I'm not 100% sure that two fabs would actually produce optically identical chips; would there be process differences?

Arg. I'm actually considering the problem of a secure design that's secure both through being transparently open source, and by using a super-simple architecture. And unfortunately these two properties mean that a) well, everyone has the GDSII, and b) the architecture is super-easy to hack. It makes perfect sense that a fab would need time to mount an attack on a closed and complex design though.

Very good point about process differences. That totally makes sense, and would likely require human verification to handle, which for big chips would be, at the very least, hilariously expensive.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Totally agree. My question is, how do you verify the fabs are trustworthy? Genuinely curious - I'm actually trying to answer this myself at the moment. The best I've come up with is, go to >2 fabs, have them deliver wafers but not saw them, scan and compare the wafers using trusted equipment, then take the wafers back to the fab for sawing. The last step is the biggest issue; you could be bait-and-switched. Sawing do…

Trustworthy in what sense? That they are delivering on spec, or that they aren't stealing your IP? For the prior, I imagine going there and observing QC procedures is the only hope. For the latter, I imagine it involves keeping discrete critical components isolated -- firmware from silicon (and beyond), using different factories so that neither independently has a functional device.

Trustworthy in the context of a "secure as possible" open-source design. Knowing that the layout I shipped is what I got back with no modifications.

Unfortunately my idea would have both the layout and the (OTP-fused) firmware fully open. I'm learning a lot about the challenges of "transparent security" as opposed to security by obscurity...

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Plus you have a great piece of industrial design. I love the look of the 5S/SE. It looks premium, it feels nice in your hand, it's solid, and those chamfered edges are so nice. It's a shame they went from that to the iPhone 6 design and stuck with it all this time. It might make bigger phones easier to hold but man it just doesn't look as nice IMO. It looks like a generic round phone. Nothing stands out about it at a…

Having sold hundreds of iPhone 5s's when I was selling B2B, I have to say I was fairly unimpressed. Not great battery life over time, if an employee left with iCloud enabled it was a whole affair with Apple to get them to reset the device and allow it to be reused, and the brick style design is not very comfortable overall. My favorite is the curved back, as is on most Motorola's and some LGs. Personally, I stick wit…

>if an employee left with iCloud enabled it was a whole affair with Apple

We would just send the phone number to our Verizon account manager and he'd send us proof of purchase for that device and we'd forward it to Apple. Wasn't a terribly difficult process, at least in my experience.

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That doesn't seem to be a manufacturer issue though is it? In case of tablets, my partner is still using her iPad 2 and Netflix has a version of their app that still runs on that. The core software on her tablet, like the core software on my older phones that were given to family members still work fine. Its the 3rd party apps that seem to be abandoned by software developers. That's going to happen regardless of what…

I have an original ipad and netflix is pretty much the only thing that still works fine on that. You can't use it to browse the web anymore because web pages have gotten so heavy it runs out of memory trying to render them. The app store is also broken to the degree of being unusable, even if you could find apps. If it wasn't so locked down it would still make an excellent linux device, but as it stands it's basicall…

App developer here. It is impossible to build an app for the original iPad. Apple tools will not allow you to compile backwards compatibility to iOS 6 (or is it 5?).

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Having sold hundreds of iPhone 5s's when I was selling B2B, I have to say I was fairly unimpressed. Not great battery life over time, if an employee left with iCloud enabled it was a whole affair with Apple to get them to reset the device and allow it to be reused, and the brick style design is not very comfortable overall. My favorite is the curved back, as is on most Motorola's and some LGs. Personally, I stick wit…

If iCloud was your problem, it's because you weren't using an MDM. That's an OS-independent problem ;)

We use MDM (Air-Watch) and it's still a problem. If the employee uses their personal iCloud account you cannot remove it. You can unlock the device remotely via MDM but you have to have their password for their iCloud account to remove the iCloud account.

You have to contact Apple and provide proof of purchase for the device to have them remove the iCloud account.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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I admire the gumption of making a new phone. But controlled obsolescence kills me. The real feature that improves in phones the past few years for me is the software and apps, not the hardware . My wishlist: - Give me a lighter, snappier OS. Not something clunkier and slower and uses more ram, gpu/cpu (aka battery life). - Actually support updates to the things for longer than 2-3 years. - (Not related to this phone)…

> - And physical keyboards. Something for SSH'ing with. There is no market for this product. Nobody wants it except a tiny fraction of the market who work in IT.

I think there are still quite a few business professionals who miss their Blackberrys. But I agree, still a very small market. Personally I'd love to have a physical keyboard. Phones are big enough know that we could have a full size keyboard and still have more display than we had on an iPhone 4.
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