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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by googlryas »

gizmo wrote: post #496
artursapek wrote: post #191

Trump has an anti-Muslim position because the recent bombings, shootings, stabbings, and semi-truck attacks in Europe have all been committed by Muslims. And it's not a coincidence - their ideology says that they are rewarded in the afterlife for killing "infidels" (us). Christians don't live by this kind of ideology.

None of this justifies discrimination against Muslims. I'm flagging this because this kind of incendiary racism has no place on HN.

The whole point is that it isn't discrimination against Muslims. It's discrimination against nations that happen to be majority Muslim. But there are a ton of nations with even more Muslims than the nations on the list, and they aren't banned.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

jannotti wrote: post #584
mark_l_watson wrote: post #525

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I am a life time Democrat, but every time I hear someone bring up the poor taste pussy grabbing comments, I have to ask: do you give Bill Clinton a pass on what happened with Paula Jones? Listening to old interviews as a very young woman, Paula Jones paints an awful image of what Clinton did. There is plenty to criticize Trump for, but nasty comments are not as bad as nasty deeds.

He was reporting a deed. You are accepting Paula Jones comments as fact of a deed, but you are not accepting Trump's own self-report of his behavior as a deed. Remember that the tape also contained him saying things like, "I can't resist beautiful, I just kiss", and "They let you get away with it". These are not abstract tasteless comments, like saying something tasteless about a woman's body. These are self-reported…

OK, fair enough about Trump. Easy for me to say since I don't like him and didn't vote for him.

That said, it does seem like Bill Clinton's actions were worse. He paid a ton of money to settle the Jones lawsuit, IIRC.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Animats »

baytrailcat wrote: post #562
Animats wrote: post #504

Things companies in tech can do: - Demand to see the detailed plan for TrumpCare. What's it going to cost us? What will it do to our employees? Where are the details? That's what lobbyists are paid to find out. Employers have a big stake in this. - Demand to see the tariff plan. So far, it's all talk, but soon it will be legislation. This has huge impacts for many businesses. Business planning and investment will sta…

I think this is a Chess vs Checkers issue. It doesn't matter if you lay out a plan based on reason if the other side is playing a different game altogether. Check out this simple strategy from the Republican playbook. They pour money into State elections (through Super PACs) during a census year and take control over legislature and the redistricting process and execute a horrendous gerrymandering which drives urban…

There is that, but Republican politicians will listen to business about business issues.

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Post by wolf550e »

tacomonstrous wrote: post #479
akjainaj wrote: post #456

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Yes, don't worry--I'll stay away from a city that has 250 property crimes and 80 violent crimes every day while those in power keep looking the other way to be politically correct. 15 humans lost their lives yesterday in shootings, 268 during January: http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings I suppose that'll end when Trump sends the Feds as he's promised on Twitter, though.

>Yes, don't worry--I'll stay away from a city that has 250 property crimes and 80 violent crimes every day while those in power keep looking the other way to be politically correct. Wonderful. Stay away from the world-leading food and culture scene as well. More for the rest of us. >That'll end when Trump sends the Feds as he's promised on Twitter, though Under what authority? And which Feds are we talking? Just more…

Trump has implied in twitter that he'll use the army and national guard to deal with the problems in Chicago.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/27/illinois-gov-we-dont-want-...

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Post by facepalm »

jacquesm wrote: post #572
facepalm wrote: post #549

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We can disagree on the historical lessons. I wonder, right now, which historical lesson you are referring to? If you mean Nazi Germany, my opinion is that there aren't actually that many parallels. Or do you mean cases when cultures were eradicated by invaders (real Collapse for some examples, or look at the history of the USA)? Or maybe the cases where Muslims took power, like the Iranian revolution?

The fall of Rome comes to mind. Divide and conquer is a fantastic strategy against a stronger opponent and Putin is playing this like a master. Maybe America's time has run out, but I for one would like to see the USA remain strong and united, I fear this may already past the point of no return and with ever day that goes by and this madness continuous you'll be looking wistfully back at those 'terrible' years under…

I thought historians are still debating what caused the fall of Rome?

I can't really take you serious if you invoke Putin as the supposed mastermind...

International relations: because the countries he temporarily blocked for immigration have previously been such big friends to the USA? I don't think that accurately reflects reality.

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Post by cmurf »

baytrailcat wrote: post #508
myblake wrote: post #22

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How effective is calling local congress members if you live in an area with a strong progressive majority such as the Bay Area. Not that we shouldn't voice our option to our represented officials but I suspect in some ways it's redundant whereas things like raising money for national organizations may be more impactful.

I disagree that this will not be helpful. The old-guard of Democratic Party hails from these hyper liberal areas (Fienstein, Schumer, Pelosi), and based on what we have seen so far, they aren't even showing a slightest hint of resistance to Trump. See the senate democrat's response to Trump nominees for example. Put enough pressure on them, they will at least form a semblance of resistance which can inspire and have…

Wide latitude has been given on cabinet appointments by the senate, historically. And also with a supreme court nominee looming, there's every reason for Democrats to not use their outrage on cabinet nominees where it won't matter anyway.

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Post by grzm »

potatosoup wrote: post #417
general_ai wrote: post #100

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

We've been killing Muslim families in these countries for years, even under Obama (a Nobel Peace Prize winner.) Like or hate Trump, I'm surprised that now is the time to be outraged. It should've been ages ago.

People in the US have been outraged since Bush's response to 9/11. To torture, to Guantanamo, to black sites, to the invasion of Iraq, to drones, to all manner of things. If you're going to cherry-pick items, be honest about doing so, or come up with a supported thesis as to why your chosen points are different from all these others.

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Post by idlewords »

_m8fo wrote: post #7

Why is that all of these posts saying to "take a stand" fail to explain the political process? I'll just quote myself here. If you want to help stop trump the most effective ways are to: 1. Call - Local congresspeople (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/) - Senators (https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) - Local officials (https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) 2. Participate - Get involved in local electi…

Right now the most important thing you can do is donate money.

Consider starting here:

ACLU (state offices especially) Council on American-Islamic Relations (state offices especially) National Immigration Law Center

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Post by 010a »

dang wrote: post #575
bassman9000 wrote: post #471

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Holy shit, no one has actually read the text. Why do I bother. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli... > (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards…

> Holy shit, no one has actually read the text. Why do I bother. Please don't be rude in comments here. The HN guidelines specifically ask you not to use the "you didn't even read the article" trope, and you've done that repeatedly in this thread. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Wait. Did you just tell him to "read the rules" because he keeps telling other people to "read the article"? Why not try obeying the rules yourself, for once.

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Post by 010a »

scarmig wrote: post #619
010a wrote: post #613

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Both parties have had a _significant_ hand in it, dating back to GHWB and Clinton. Don't you forgot that either, lest we remember Obama as anything other than a President who liked droning brown people.

You're shifting the goalposts, from the ridiculous assertion that Democrats destabilized the Middle East to "both parties have had bad policies in the Middle East." But let's run with it. Let's say that Obama killed 5k people with drones. This is a large overestimation, but let's compare. GWB killed over half a million Iraqis for no reason, and counting. He's indirectly responsible for the rise of ISIS in a way that…

No other President except Clinton.
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