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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Post by vixen99 » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:23 PM UTC

vic-traill wrote: post #483

I found Castro's Cuba a very interesting place, primarily because of its independence from American direct influence (and yes, I realise that Cuba has longed been defined by America's influence on it, even in opposing it). American culture has had a huge effect on the world. To attend an island off the coast of Florida and find it more or less free of that cultural influence was fascinating. Fascinating in that they…

Someone who held no free nor fair elections for half a century, imprisoned his political opponents after trials presided over by crony judges, completely controlled all the national media and installed his brother as his successor? And that's not a tyrant?

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Post by sooheon » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:24 PM UTC

67726e wrote: post #568

tomp wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary expressed a wish to "drone" Assange, and Obama actually "droned" a lot of people (that the US has branded "terrorists").

Killing terrorists does not put you on the same level as Castro.

Droning doesn't kill only terrorists. There's plenty of collateral deaths (what do you think the ratio is, 1:10 intended targets to unintended when explosives are involved in civilian settings?) not to mention the labeling of who is and isn't a terrorist is hardly infallible. Of course those giving the go ahead are so far removed from the consequences that it must become easier and easier to order drone strikes when intelligence tells you it will "save American lives".

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Post by edgartaor » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:26 PM UTC

With the Fidel Castro death, will there be changes in the Cuba's government? What about the relationships with others countries?

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Post by edgartaor » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:26 PM UTC

With the Fidel Castro death, will there be changes in the Cuba's government? What about the relationships with others countries?

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Post by sebastianconcpt » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:29 PM UTC

CalChris wrote: post #614

tehwebguy wrote: post #457

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Maybe some of us have distant relatives that died in Castro's prisons for the crime of dissent?

Something that also happened with Batista. Something that happens with Putin.

And you are hoping to justify an error with another error?

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Post by kuschku » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

selectodude wrote: post #511

realusername wrote: post #361

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There are indeed places in the US without running water right now (see Flint as an example). I also don't think comparing with in development countries is relevant.

There are places all over the world that have suffered disasters taking out normal services. That doesn't mean that the services never existed or the country as a whole isn't industrialized yet.

Flint isn’t a disaster, it’s direct mismanagement and corruption combined.

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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Post by tmptmp » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

XJOKOLAT wrote: post #401

tmptmp wrote: post #311

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Charismatic? Yes, but so was Hitler and Osama bin Laden. Revolutionary? yes, but so was Hitler. So, let's get it clear that that doesn't make him humane and good for society. >>If you think you're better, then do better. Be better. Don't refuse to acknowledge the humanity of another person because you believe you can totalize their entire life under a cheap tagline. This is a disingenuous advice. Will you not critici…

>>"Sad, this criminal didn't die a lot earlier." Expected a higher level of discourse on HN. Wishful thinking.

Sorry, it came off too naive. But please consider that first of all I am a human, and I have very strong feelings against this tyrant and many others like him, so I expressed my feelings.

Also, I didn't just put that only statement here. I made a reasonably well argument against the tyrant.

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Post by fisherjeff » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

zazen wrote: post #488

fspear wrote: post #471

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>The pleas you're seeing for a calmer and broader conversation are not attempts to exculpate Castro. Those of us who have been directly affected by Castro's actions feel that justice was never made, his legacy is not something we want celebrated or glorified. Yes, it was not all black but the black/white ratio of Castros's regime is more 80/20 than 50/50.

Yes. I don't disagree with a single word of that. I took jknoefpler's comment as an invitation to reflect on the fact that Castro, and even H----r, are members of the same species as us, and what that might say about the human condition. Nothing pleasant, surely, but part of the truth of what we are. And this might be a better conversation to have than comforting ourselves by distancing ourselves from these people wi…

I think this is exactly the point!

This is why people often seem to say "he seemed so normal" in bewilderment when someone they knew commits mass murder.

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Post by sebastianconcpt » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:33 PM UTC

CalChris wrote: post #424

sebastianconcpt wrote: post #366

I invite you to step back and think that you are free to share your filomarxisms here where you have freedoms instead of promoting a genocidal system that is at heart and soul of totalitarian people like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Castro. Hasta la liberty siempre! Enjoy

Castro just doesn't belong in that sentence. Hitler does. Why does the Right Wing have such a love affair with Putin and such a hatred for Castro?

Putin, an ex-KGB, is not right-wing. Check what cultural war is. Also hear what Yuri Maltsev, ex economic advisor of Gorbachev, have to say about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNaB0jdODCM

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Post by c0nducktr » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

GunboatDiplomat wrote: post #438

Lordarminius wrote: post #426

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> This is propaganda, disgustingly incorrect propaganda, so far off base the only conceivable way you could have written it is to be maliciously lying. Your emotional reaction(disgust) is up to you. Be objective. Pray,what part of it is untrue? What is incorrect and where do I lie? Kindly be specific.

> He believed in freedom and dignity. That's exactly why he never allowed free election, a free press, free speech, free markets, or freedom to leave his island paradise. >He saw the US government as the enemy of progress everywhere in the world That just makes him an idiot. The US government has been the primary proponent of progress, spreading free markets and democracy around the globe. >What opposition? Imperiali…

> The US government has been the primary proponent of progress, spreading free markets and democracy around the globe.

wew lad