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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by advantark2 »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #221

My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic

This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. It isn't islamophobic to see cultural issues with Islam that would cause integration issues, especially with a large influx of Islamic immigration.

Much of the issue here is because of lack of understanding of the perspective of the other side.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by Nadya »

deadringerr wrote: post #453
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #221

My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

I like your points, I do think this is a big piece of the picture. I almost wish the polls let you vote either "for" a candidate or directly "against" a particular candidate - I think we'd see that many of the Trump voters would have preferred to vote "against" Clinton rather than "for" Trump.

>I think we'd see that many of the Trump voters would have preferred to vote "against" Clinton rather than "for" Trump.

That's an odd statement to make because many Clinton voters would have also preferred to vote "against" Clinton rather than "for" Clinton.* They were part of the "Never Trump" crowd. Not pro-Hillary but very anti-Trump.

E: Typo, apologies I didn't catch it before my post delay ran out. `"for" Trump` in my post has been corrected to `"for" Clinton`.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by run4yourlives2 »

IMTDb wrote: post #368
jernfrost wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

USA does not have an oil fund that amounts do $150k per capita to pay for "free everything" (university education, universal health care, childcare) and good pensions for everybody. Norway generates more revenue with oil than the entires US of A, for 5 million people, and is third worldwide exporter for Natural Gas just behind Qatar and Russia, again with only 5 million people to serve (less than the population of Ne…

That's utter nonsense. I live in Canada, and there is no way someone like Trump could be elected here. The message simply wouldn't resonate. Harper was considered extreme and he was left of Hilary.

You know what goes a long way to eliminating blue collar angst? Healthcare. There's a policy that the US would have no issue implementing if the will existed. Hell it would be cheaper than what you currently spend.

You know another policy that would help? Subsidized maternity leaves.

Do you want a third? A government run pension program.

A forth? Controlled college tuition.

All of these are well within the US's power to implement, provided the will is there. But the will not being there has nothing to do with the ability of a nation to implement these things.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by itchyouch »

norea-armozel wrote: post #235
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Well first, the DNC needs to stop sucking up to Wall Street and Silicon Valley elites. They should've gone with Sanders and stop tipping the scales for the Clintonistas just because they got connections with the elites. Hillary had her shot in 2008 and that should've been that. So they need to pull left...HARD. No more limousine liberalism. As for the RNC, they really really really really need to stop propping up the…

unfortunately, for the RNC, the evangelical vote is still a significant portion of the population and people are still voting on issues like gay-marriage & abortion.

I asked my gramps in-law why he voted for Trump and it was purely due to anti-abortion & gay-marriage. Non internet-connected gramps has no idea that Trump would only have those positions because it's an RNC position, not because Trump's actions show said beliefs.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by helthanatos »

helthanatos wrote: post #56
moultano wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dramatically increase the amount of housing in urban areas so more people can move there and away from the places without any industry left.

There's a reason cities vote the way they do... Cities are terrible places of hate and murder and disenfranchisement...

"Oh let's down vote him because I don't like what he says" It's the truth

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by helthanatos »

helthanatos wrote: post #56
moultano wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dramatically increase the amount of housing in urban areas so more people can move there and away from the places without any industry left.

There's a reason cities vote the way they do... Cities are terrible places of hate and murder and disenfranchisement...

"Oh let's down vote him because I don't like what he says" It's the truth

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by treenyc »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

US president has remarkably little power to make any change to the existing system. The real change has to be done on the local grass root level.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

On the bright side, does this mean the election wasn't rigged? What will Alex Jones think now that Trump is in power? Will there be no more school shootings because Obama/Hillary and the federal government are no longer trying to take our guns away? Will ISIS no longer attack the US because Trump is being "tough" on them and the president is no longer refusing to say the words "radical islamic terrorism"?

So many intriguing questions posed by the victory of someone who, by many appearences, was happy to lose but rile up a big audience along the way.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by grp »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #428
ynniv wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically speaking, war is very effective at reducing unemployment. I'm not advocating it, but others will soon.

There's almost a 100% chance that the country will be at war by the time Trump's first term is up. It's going to be his only shot at a second term given that he won't be able to run on nonsensical rhetoric anymore.

It's not really hard. Do you remember the last 4 consecutives years where USA was in peace?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by notacoward »

jernfrost wrote: post #258
koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Don't think that is possible. If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure. The way the republicans have played this game is so dirty, that you can't expect people to forgive. We can not reward such a divisive character like Donald Trump with his racism, xenophobia, mysogny, insults and bullying with a successf…

> do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure.

I think I'd modify that just a little. Our too-few representatives in Congress should do everything to thwart the Trump agenda, but only because that agenda is itself a failure. By opposing it, we make America a success. Very different than what the Republicans have been doing.

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