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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by irq11 »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

This is an area where it's easy to be too credulous. If you want "iPhone 1 of self-driving cars", Google has been tooling around in them for a while now. They do a great job under ideal conditions, on a sunny day. The future already happened!

It simply isn't enough to post a video of a car driving in light traffic on a beautiful, California afternoon. That isn't what makes the problem hard. Mess up with your video-based system in the dark, or in bad weather, or...lots of people will die.

This isn't web development. You don't risk lives with your beta release. (Which, not incidentally, is why they haven't released anything other than a video.)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ape4 »

NegatioN wrote: post #555

So, both Nvidia and Tesla are working on self-driving cars based on the sensory data mainly from cameras mounted on the car, which are then run through X number of RNNs to generate models to operate on? While Google pursues their LIDAR-approach? What other players are operating in this space? And what's their approach?

The LIDAR idea seems better to me. The car can build an accurate 3D model. I'm sure the artificial vision of the Tesla is good but it will probably get fooled too.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gambiting »

randomdata wrote: post #572
scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? I think we can apply the Pareto principle here. The car seems to work surprisingly well in ideal conditions, but probably doesn't in less than ideal ones (let's see it operating in a snow storm!). So, let's say that 80% of the work is done, leaving 20% to fix all the little edge cases that are bound to pop in the real wor…

I'm afraid it will be the same as image recognition technology. It's "easy" to get good image recognition that works in 80-90% of the cases, but it still fails at the easiest edge cases(best image recognition in the world fails at telling a difference between a zebra and a sofa in a zebra print). So I think we will go through a few years of manufacturers making cars which can drive themselves in perfect weather, but we won't see a car that can drive in all conditions for at least a century.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by freehunter »

S_A_P wrote: post #595
esquevin wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What'd you do if you drove over mud and it covered your windshield ?

turn on the windshield wipers. Last I checked there were no water jets, wipers or other cleaning devices for the camera lenses on any Tesla. Again, maybe it seems like a small thing, but its still something you would have to worry about. Imagine driving down a dirt road and your autonomous car becomes disabled until you get out and clean the cameras.

I'm guessing there aren't a lot of people driving their $80,000 car down a dirt road.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by flexie »

dingaling wrote: post #549
bflesch wrote: post #451

Truly impressive. I wonder if the Model 3 will also be fitted out with all the sensors and cameras. If yes, I'll definitely get one. As a German citizen, it really bugs me that Volkswagen is incapable of this kind of innovation. I don't see their roadmap play out like they plan it, because Tesla might beat them to market hard. I fear German regulation will jump in (again) to help them against Tesla. Currently, the Ge…

> because everyone who goes EV wants to go Tesla. Other than the 250,000 drivers of Nissan Leafs... I think that's beyond twice as many as every Tesla ever built.

I really like Nissan Leaf and I love the fact that Nissan is out there as a competitor. But the reason anyone buys Nissan Leaf is that it is for sale already and that the price is only $29,000.

Otherwise it's inferior to Tesla model 3 in almost any aspect (not to mention the larger Teslas):

- only 107 mile range vs. 215 miles - no super chargers or own network, relies on third party generic chargers - less trunk space - less acceleration - no battery swap - no regular software upgrades over the internet - no self driving capabilities - no flat screen controls

When Tesla model 3 is out, selling at $35,000, Nissan will have to make serious upgrades to remain a viable alternative.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JulianMorrison »

jploh wrote: post #519
gtrubetskoy wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? And it should be able to automatically detect that it's in the UK and drive on the left side of the road... I'm curious - can you even get a Tesla in the UK (or Japan or Australia, etc), and do they make a right-side driver model?

They do make right hand drive cars. I've seen one in Hong Kong.

One advantage for self driving cars in the future: no "driver's side". The seats are just seats.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by devy »

spIrr wrote: post #533

From 00:50 to 01:10, why is the car driving in the left lane, when the right lane is clearly not turning? It's strange to see this behaviour as someone living in Germany, where you are supposed to, by default, drive in the right lane if you are not overtaking another car or there is a traffic jam... EDIT: also, did it turn into the wrong lane at 2:25-2:30? is this a security risk?

> also, did it turn into the wrong lane at 2:25-2:30? is this a security risk?

Yes, totally a crash collision risk! I've witnessed this happened once in a Costco parking lot. Car A made a right turn onto the left lane of the crossing road and the oncoming car B didn't pay attention at the moment and bumped into it head on.

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Post by [deleted] »

Robin_Message wrote: post #581
pyb wrote: post #495

No bad, but it still needs to be taught to keep to the right. Unless this is how people normally drive in the US ?

In the US you stay in lane. Many other countries ban undertaking, but not the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtaking#Legal_status_by_cou...

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Post by Alupis »

dyarosla wrote: post #576
georgespencer wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are problems which are actually improved as more cars move to autonomous driving. A sensible government would mandate that manufacturers must upload anonymised data about each car in real time, which would effectively allow for cross-talk between cars. This could enable automatic remedies to the above situations (car X tells car Y "I've got more room behind me, let me reverse), but also prevent them in the firs…

I see this pro cross-talk argument all the time... but wouldn't that leave open a big vulnerability for bad actors to send false data between cars and, if they should choose to, control multiple vehicles and cause collisions?

It's part of the growing myth that is "self driving cars".

People seem to hand-wave and make up what these supposed future self driving cars will do - and worse, they hand-wave and assert they'll be objectively better at X than humans, without any evidence to backup the assertion.

Self driving cars are made by fallible humans using fallible programming languages and constructs. They can't possibly account for every situation or scenario - but people hand-wave and say it magically will.

Sure, one day you'll be able to sleep in the back seat of your car or read a book while it precisely weaves you between traffic only to navigate you right off a cliff. Or the neighbor's kid with a laser pointer prevents your car from turning into the driveway.

Driver-assisted cars are the real future.

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Post by randomdata »

freehunter wrote: post #615
randomdata wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? I think we can apply the Pareto principle here. The car seems to work surprisingly well in ideal conditions, but probably doesn't in less than ideal ones (let's see it operating in a snow storm!). So, let's say that 80% of the work is done, leaving 20% to fix all the little edge cases that are bound to pop in the real wor…

My corollary to the Pareto principle: it's only applicable in 20% of cases, and even then it's only 80% applicable.

Much like comments on the internet. Only 20% are meant to be taken seriously, and even then, only 80% of the message is serious in nature.
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