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Re: iPhone 7

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Post by Animats »

vadym909 wrote: post #612
acomjean wrote: post #42

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I can't get over the headphone jack either. Another dongle to loose. Tons of headphones obsoleted. Can't charge while listening. Laggy audio. more batteries in the world. They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? I work in a lab and a phone with headphones is standard equipment on the commute and work (for at least part of the day). I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. If onl…

Making the phone thin is a wasted goal. Everyone I know has a thick iphone cover.

Yes. That's why I have one of the Cat ruggedized phones. It's thinner than some iPhones in their cases.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by conistonwater »

jmtorresg wrote: post #483
georgespencer wrote: post #428

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> the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move Were any of them? MacBook Air released in 2008. DVD media sales rose YOY 2005 => 2009. Flash video did not decrease in popularity pre-iPhone, it decreased because of the iPhone. > The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been "DVDs are as popular today as they have ever bee…

Even if the headphone jack were dying out (which IMO is not the case, but anyway), one has to admit that replacing it by a proprietary system like Lightning is a bad idea. Now, I get their goal is pushing toward the use of wireless, but they'll have to explain themselves as to how they're planning on pulling that off when the only official wireless alternative they offer is a $159 pair of earphones as opposed to thei…

A decent pair of earbuds can cost about $10, even their wired alternative is grotesquely overpriced.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by kylec »

bobbywilson0 wrote: post #544
slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

Most, if not all of the previous tech they abandoned seemed too early at the time. It forced those who were making products for Apple to follow their lead. Apple has always tried to reduce clutter with design, and a lot of that times it means getting rid of something that doesn't seem like it need to be removed, e.g. limited ports, no removable micro sd for iPhone, wireless devices and accessories, removing drives, s…

In this case I think the percentage of people that use the headphone jack in their iPhones is a lot higher than 20%.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by code777777 »

Longhanks wrote: post #306
yoodenvranx wrote: post #250

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There should be some sort of y-cable adapter which allows you to listen to music and charge the phone at the same time? But I am not sure if that is actually tech ically possible.

The docks do this since years. You just plug in the lightning and the dock provides lightning out and audio out. So an adapter is definitly possible.

The issue I've run into with the docks is that I have to remove my case to use them.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by phatbyte »

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

As fair as I know the new iPhone will come with a ligthning adaptor for regular headphones jacks. So that will sort users for now.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by erelde »

yock wrote: post #240
acomjean wrote: post #42

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I can't get over the headphone jack either. Another dongle to loose. Tons of headphones obsoleted. Can't charge while listening. Laggy audio. more batteries in the world. They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? I work in a lab and a phone with headphones is standard equipment on the commute and work (for at least part of the day). I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. If onl…

> They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? This confuses me too. The camera wart is ridiculous, and I bet if they made the device just that slight bit thicker they'd have room to retain the 3.5mm jack. The other possibility is that the headphone jack makes water resistance that much more difficult. Maybe they think it's worth it?

About that bulge.

The animation when loading the page made that bulge almost phallic. That phone appears like an erection, growing up and up...

It's almost certainly only in my mind though.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by robotresearcher »

hmate9 wrote: post #292

I won't be buying the new iPhone but I thinks removing the headphone jack seems like an extremely small problem. The main issue seems to be that you now can't charge and listen to music at the same time. How often do you actually do that? In the past 5 years I have probably done that once. For those of you who do think it is an inconvenience, I bet there will be a product on the market in 2 weeks that eliminates this…

> You can't charge and listen to music at the same time. How often do you actually do that?

My two use cases that I expect are pretty common:

1. In the car, plugged in to charge since using GPS navigation drains the battery very fast, and car audio input is AUX only.

2. Phone on the nightstand, plugged to overnight charge and I go to sleep listening to podcasts or music on headphones to avoid disturbing my partner. I can dozily remove my headphones, but I can't switch cables without waking up.

I agree that there will be aftermarket products to solve it. Just makes the thing more expensive for me, so less likely to buy.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by lucb1e »

brainfire wrote: post #288
balabaster wrote: post #185

It's water resistant but water damage isn't covered under warranty? How can you have it both ways like that? "Water resistance IP67 under IEC standard 60529. Liquid damage not covered under warranty." How does one make such a big deal of it being water resistant (Product film: 1m 35s; "...to make this the first water resistant iPhone") but not cover liquid damage under warranty?

The same way they use durable glass and don't cover broken glass under the warranty.

They're not saying the glass is unbreakable, they say it's strong. Water resistant sounds entirely different from 'should survive small splashes' and doesn't add anything if it's not actually watertight. I already use my android phone in the rain, covering it as well as I can, and take the risk. Or hope it survives when splashing water over it. That works, so the next step is actually being watertight.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

deckard1 wrote: post #587
DCKing wrote: post #396

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To be fair to Apple, I think they have a good point. Digital connectors are superior in almost every way (space use, port flexibility, sound quality, even cable integrity). I admire them for ripping off the bandaid, like they did previously with disk drives and parrallel ports. Someone needs to lead the way to abandon legacy, and Apple can do that far more effectively than others (e.g. Motorola has also abandoned hea…

The thing is, we already have a lightning port. It's a thing that exists. We could already have lightning headphones and the current headphone jack. Together. Digital doesn't make up for the fact that we're moving from a near-universal standard headphone jack to a proprietary port. One that, mind you, is flat vs. round. The design of the headphone jack is superior. You can plug it in at any angle, and rotate it while…

I'm more than a little shocked and disappointed that more people on HN don't care about avoiding proprietary formats. Most people here _make_ stuff. Open formats allow you to more easily make interoperable stuff.

I don't want a world what I have Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG headphone connectors.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by djrogers »

clord wrote: post #558
__david__ wrote: post #409

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You can already do #1. I've been using one of these [1] plus an Apple 30-pin dock to lightning converter for years. It's been worth it just because there's only one thing to plug into the phone, and it allows you to route your cables nicely if you want. [1] https://www.amazon.com/SunbowStar-Universal-Charger-Adapter-...

Yes, I do this too, and it angers me because it proves that this datapath is possible to build. Double-dongle sucks, but it works. I marvel at how backwards apple can be when it wants to be. I wonder if this new headphone dongle they announced can be hacked to do charging.

It angers you? Apple has both options available - the adapter or a dock - and tons of 3rd party solutions are available, so you're angry?
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