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Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Post by sseveran » Sun, Nov 03, 2013, 9:23 PM UTC

guiambros wrote: post #604

sseveran wrote: post #525

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France and Germany can't. They are both export based economies.

Yeah, but chancellor Merkel must be really pissed off with all the latest shenanigans [1] by her friends across the pond... And everybody else must be really pissed off with the latest documents. Here's the punch line: > Intercepting communications overseas has clear advantages for the NSA, with looser restrictions and less oversight. NSA documents about the effort refer directly to “full take,” “bulk access” and “hi…

I think in the end it will be shown that both the Germans and French also engaged in surveillance or have partnerships with other intelligence agencies. The five sisters can't be the only big partnership.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Post by Wingman4l7 » Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 8:06 AM UTC

timdiggerm wrote: post #138

jakewalker wrote: post #4

If that graphic - that taunting smiley face, drawn when it was assumed that no one was watching - isn't enough to outrage the general public, I don't know what it will take. This is not super technical - it's easily explained and should be easily understood by the masses. And it should cause outrage.

Where you see a taunting smiley, I see a developer who's just happy to have made a breakthrough on his project.

Makes me think about the guys who built the atomic bomb -- people doing [potentially] amoral things because they find the problems they're solving more fascinating than the practical implications.

Re: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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Post by SeanLuke » Fri, Nov 08, 2013, 6:12 PM UTC

frenger wrote: post #544

SeanLuke wrote: post #278

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> I am at a loss for words. Arrogant, self-righteous, disrespectful, ignorant, mendacious...nothing cuts it. It is illegal in the US but who cares about the rest of the world? Do you really believe that this is the modus operandi only of the United States? Since, say, France has _at least_ the same position with regard to the rest of the world vs. French citizens, are you angry at France too? Will you cut all french,…

France hasn't built itself on a platform of French Exceptionalism. The USA demonstrably has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Perhaps France wasn't your best choice of country.

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Post by tripzilch » Sat, Nov 09, 2013, 7:56 PM UTC

leot wrote: post #599

PavlovsCat wrote: post #561

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http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. Otherwise, how would you define "liberty" or "security of person"? You're free to do what you want as long as it doesn't encroach on…

Things aren't that simple. Certain rights can certainly override others (your right to life overrides my liberty to shoot you), which implies, if not a ranking, at least complexity. My liberty was only legally maximized when I turned 19: should five-year-olds be able to buy guns? Should I be free to record a conversation we have without my telling you? A person has liberty if he or she is free to do anything lawful w…

> Things aren't that simple. Certain rights can certainly override others (your right to life overrides my liberty to shoot you)

Certain rights certainly can. But not human rights. That's the whole point.

(btw "liberty to shoot GP" and "ability to buy guns" are not in fact human rights. GP's "right to life", however, is.)