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Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by fn-mote »

jollyllama wrote: post #584
chr15m wrote: post #254

The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. If there is a problem with children not being sufficiently protected, that is the level at which to solve it. Give families tools and information to do so.

They don't actually care about children being protected. If they did, who in their right mind would trust the government to pull it off? It's like people who send their kids to public school thinking they're really going to be safe and educated. They're either rolling their dice with the best option they have, knowing there's a significant likelihood of failure, or checking a box. "My kid's in school, I did what I ne…

> It's like people who send their kids to public school thinking they're really going to be safe and educated

I really feel like I missed the /s or something.

Or possibly the poster went to a much worse public school than I did? (USA public = government funded.)

Reducing a challenge like education to a sound bite to win an argument on HN lowers the level of dialog.

Also, where I live the majority of people trust the government enough to send their children to public school, and it isn’t clear that the pay-for schools are much better.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by lipbetfox »

codedokode wrote: post #489
miohtama wrote: post #465

Here is a 2-minute tutorial video on how to turn on parental controls on an iPhone. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tv6vxRBEa2o Instead of asking parents to do this, you get these laws where you need to show your id to unlock your own device. Clearly.

This is a garbage UI and it looks like it was designed using "dark patterns" to ensure that nobody uses it. Look how many clicks (18 clicks, I counted) one needs to do in the correct sequence without a single mistake, and how many distracting and misleading options are there. It is a sabotage, it is a rebellion. Technically, yes, Apple can claim that they have "safe mode", but in practice it is unusable. Apple clearl…

I use Apple's parental controls daily and it is complete garbage. Unfortunately it's also the best (less bad?) of everything I tried.

My kids' devices consistent get confused about how long the device/specific apps has been used, and changing things is a lot of work, and at the same time not granular enough.

> Apple clearly doesn't want parents to enable restrictions

Hard not to come to the same conclusion.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by slg »

cobbzilla wrote: post #494
slg wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When a politician is worried about your kids, you should be worried about your rights and freedoms. Not only for your own sake but for your kids too! What rights and freedoms should I worry about when a politician wants to make sure my child is fed by supporting food stamp programs or free hot lunches at school? The idea that any attempt to help a child is inherently suspect honestly says something distrubing about…

> You can't imagine someone genuinely caring for a child that isn't there own? I just said the opposite. I can imagine many people genuinely caring for a child that isn’t their own. I am skeptical when a politician who does not know my children claims to care about them. To borrow an LLMism: It’s not cynicism, it’s the reality of history. We the people have been duped many times over. Caveat Emptor.

>I just said the opposite. I can imagine many people genuinely caring for a child that isn’t their own.

Sure, but limited to "family and friends". Following that up with "who does not know my children" indicates you clearly view empathy as extending to merely one's personal relationships and you seemingly can't imagine caring for a stranger's child. I'll grant you cyncism is not the correct description of that worldview, but I stick by the general label of disturbing.

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Post by slg »

inigyou wrote: post #414
slg wrote: post #210

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>When a politician is worried about your kids, you should be worried about your rights and freedoms. Not only for your own sake but for your kids too! What rights and freedoms should I worry about when a politician wants to make sure my child is fed by supporting food stamp programs or free hot lunches at school? The idea that any attempt to help a child is inherently suspect honestly says something distrubing about…

You should be worried the politician is going to enslave people to make the food for the children.

I find it difficult to give some people on this site the benefit of the doubt when they say nonsense like this. How can you possibly believe that free hot lunches in schools leads to slavery? Like what is the literal chain of events that you imagine happening to lead from one to the other?

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Post by [deleted] »

ericmay wrote: post #602
andrepd wrote: post #586

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Hard not to argue in what metric? The US has Flock cameras spreading like the plague, if we're going purely based on vibes. And the Snowden disclosures about how they spy on their own citizens on a massive scale is over a decade old at this point. Plus, a city covered in CCTV could theoretically be freer than one with much less coverage, if those cameras are recording to encrypted storage and accessible only with a j…

This doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. First, maybe we can just eventually require Flock cameras to also record only to encrypted storage accessible by a judicial warrant. Presumably you are perfectly OK with that? Second, privacy advocates have much to say about being surveilled at all, regardless of whether the data is encrypted or not. They’re opposed to recording at all, not recording and then the judge gets to…

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Post by slg »

stressback wrote: post #318
slg wrote: post #267

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This level of cynicism is only possible if someone has never interacted with people on a local political level. Once again, it's more a reflection of your own worldview than an accurate reflection of all of humanity. There are some people who genuinely have empathy for others and want to do good. The way some of you refuse to believe that is truly disturbing.

There are some people who have genuine empathy for others and want to do good, and they aren't politicians. The only thing disturbing about this is you don't see it.

Once again, you can only say this if the idea of "politician" is some abtract concept that you can dehumanize. If you get involved in local politics, I guarantee you will meet someone who cares.

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Post by Tangurena2 »

walrus01 wrote: post #65
Forgeties79 wrote: post #57

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I have a feeling we had a similar experience growing up. I generally agree, but also, we got QAnon/Alex Jones and such which have quite directly screwed up my country. So I don’t know, my opinion is often contradictory and fluid. I don’t know where I stand anymore. I believe in an “open internet,” but also, there’s people like Andrew Tate who have ruined the minds of people I care about. We can debate if these system…

One personal observation, the early commercial internet as it was transitioning from universities/research labs/certain high-tech firms into a mass market thing with millions of users, it had its share of nutjobs and crazy as well. But it was boutique, hand crafted , personal level crazy and it was for the most part disregarded because none of the whackjobs could collect a sufficient following or megaphone to spread…

> how the US government had supposedly manufactured AIDS in a lab somewhere

This was Soviet (now Russian) disinformation. The tactic is to make people (especially Americans) distrust the American government. Like claiming that the crack epidemic was caused by CIA inventing/smuggling the drugs in. Sure, Oliver North & Reagan's Iran-Contra affair did this to fund Ronnie's illegal and private war in Nicaragua. The CIA gets all the money they want from a willing, subservient Congress - they don't need to smuggle drugs. Congress specifically outlawed supplying weapons to the Contras, so the administration had to resort to illegal means, like selling weapons to Iran and smuggling drugs to finance that war.

This is the same sort of disinformation as saying COVID was manufactured in a Chinese labs, somewhere in Wuhan.

Yeah, I used to read this stuff when I was younger and more gullible.

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Post by Tangurena2 »

inigyou wrote: post #52
Avicebron wrote: post #36

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Plenty of us survived the internet when it was an even wilder west, IRC chats with strangers trying to learn perl, not putting your name and social security number into random websites. Being aware of predators. It's a very specific kind of power-hungry move fast and break things tech that refuses to accept responsibility of the fallout. Anonymity, the right to move privately and be private online is much bigger than…

It was a noncommercial wild west. You were up against some troll trying to get a reaction by linking you to goatse, not some trillion dollar international corporation with a literal army of addiction experts A/B testing how to maximize engagement.

My favorite was a goatse version of the Death Star.

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Post by chr15m »

penguin_booze wrote: post #423
chr15m wrote: post #254

The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. If there is a problem with children not being sufficiently protected, that is the level at which to solve it. Give families tools and information to do so.

> The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. They can only do so much, within the boundaries of their home. It takes a village to raise a child. The policies, thus, should be made village-wide.

I agree that we must bring back villages. "Village-wide" is probably the exact right dimensions for any given policy, if you mean a literal village.

Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America

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Post by chr15m »

ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #284
chr15m wrote: post #254

The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. If there is a problem with children not being sufficiently protected, that is the level at which to solve it. Give families tools and information to do so.

No ID checks at clubs, bars, or other adults-only venues. No school zone speed limits, or protected crossings on streets near schools. No requirements for railings on public balconies, fencing around public pools, protective covers over drains or other holes in the ground. Parents/guardians can just supervise. Sounds great!

Do you actually think a railing on a balcony is the same as collecting the private information of minors in a centralised database?

Please, stay far far away from my children. They do not need your help.

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