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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by herewulf »

gaigalas wrote: post #196
293725903 wrote: post #148

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Your bible is truly full of wise words to live by. Not at all the insane ramblings of hallucinating conmen: 1 Kings 18:36-40 36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people wil…

I said "Don't worry about the scriptures". It's not my bible, I'm an atheist. I see the book as a heavily altered collection of multiple historical sources, not as a holy monolith.

Maybe quote a less controversial fantasy novel next time?

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Post by mirekrusin »

nradov wrote: post #587
mirekrusin wrote: post #555

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Progress is defined by capability data points over time that we have plenty where AGI is a threshold ie. stuff like METR [0] and dozens of others. [0] https://metr.org/time-horizons

None of those are AGI data point points. LLMs are making terrific progress but it's unknown whether they're progressing towards true AGI or in some other direction.

What would be an AGI data point?

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Post by axegon_ »

truncate wrote: post #316
axegon_ wrote: post #313

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I've worked long enough at large tech giants to know how things really are. Also a large part of the reason why I'd never join one again, no matter what they have to offer. Meta, Google, Amazon, Netflix, Openai, anthropic, oracle, nvidia, Microsoft, etc. - same shit with a different badge on top.

TBH, having worked at all big-tech, startup and mid-sized companies, pretty much most has some major pros and cons of their own, and these days ever more so. With certain big-tech at-least there some chance of getting decent WLB.

I prefer hectic work and impossible deadlines at 3am over the flat-but-not-really hierarchy and the constant dick-measuring contests.

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Post by gaigalas »

herewulf wrote: post #611
gaigalas wrote: post #196

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I said "Don't worry about the scriptures". It's not my bible, I'm an atheist. I see the book as a heavily altered collection of multiple historical sources, not as a holy monolith.

Maybe quote a less controversial fantasy novel next time?

If someone is ignoring basic instructions like "don't worry about the scriptures", then it doesn't matter anyway. Basic text interpretation skills are missing in the interaction.

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Post by pixl97 »

majkinetor wrote: post #529
kakacik wrote: post #466

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Thats like, your opinion man... I don't know a single white collar person who isn't worried for their job with llms. Every. Single. One. Lawyers, doctors, any type of office workers I ask. The definition of white collar. Plus don't let me start on various automatable blue collar jobs like drivers, warehouse workers and so on. What do we get in return? Better search (for now, its already getting riddled with ads which…

Yet, there isn't time in history I would rather live in, and I am certain almost every single other person thinks the same.

I mean, I'm sure the people before WWI and WWII though the same thing. And post WWII was pretty good, except the constant threat of the world ending 30 seconds later.

We can only truly judge these things in hindsight as this story is still playing out.

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Post by pixl97 »

avadodin wrote: post #491
cheesecakegood wrote: post #463

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Another dry sarcasm victim. If you check the link, it’s clear they were talking about a supposed contemporary concern about health effects from trains, the implication being that today people are also irrationally afraid of tech. Problem is I’m fairly sure the link is wildly overstating its case, and looks like a content farm. Might even be, ironically, AI slop itself! For example, it talks about “railway spine”: “Ph…

A common belief right now in the US military is that even the blast of a high caliber ammunition round may scramble your brain and give you "PTSD". It does line up with "PTSD" only becoming a thing after WWI.

This sounds more like CTE that we see in US football but instead of actual contact it's the pressure wave.

It's one of those things that I have no idea if it's actually the case, but does pass the hypothesis smell test.

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Post by pixl97 »

tpm wrote: post #456
Forgeties79 wrote: post #336

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I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

> what’s happening right now And that would be closed-AI companies failing to keep their AI closed in a box, thus proving open-AI proponents right and the hysterical group wrong?

And open ones are going to do any better?

Not exactly sure how that proves the open groups right, more of humans can't stop building the "if you build it, you will die" machine.

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Post by pixl97 »

thayne wrote: post #603
xigoi wrote: post #522

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Open source would mean publishing the training data and code.

Maybe. That is still pretty different from the source code for software though. Suppose OpenAI released all the training data, training methodology, and training source code, but didn't release the weights for a frontier model. Would that allow you to build the same model? Not unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on it. And even then you won't get the exact same thing. That's not to say it isn't v…

Yea, sounds like an open source nuclear power plant. Knowing how to build it is only half the battle.

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

therealpygon wrote: post #538
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #447

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And yet it's not called eleuther.cpp or bert.cpp. And the famous subreddit isn't called r/localbert but r/locallama.

In fairness, people also don’t say “let me ask llama” or “llama told me…” like they do with “GPT”. Colloquialisms don’t establish importance, just popularity.

I see no contradiction. GPT as synonym for AI and llama as symbol for open weights models. The original comment said llama had set something off in the open weights community. And I say you see that with llama.cpp, llamaindex, r/localllama. No one bothered to update them to qwen.cpp or qwenindex. And they were never localgpt or gpt.cpp.

Culture and language use says a lot about importance of ideas. Regardless of what was first or what some scholar sees as historically more important.

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #609
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #479

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Oh stop, the current crop of kneecapping llms is already bad enough with how they cripple those. It would have been even worse if the 'we need to think about this' crowd kept the reins. At least now, we can have both: safe corporate crap and whatever you want llm.

>oh stop No, you stop. You don’t know me we are not friends. Please do not talk to me like that.

How do you know we are not friends? I am not even joking. Can you be certain? And if yes, how?
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