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Re: Meta workers can opt out of being tracked at work up to 30 min

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It's always been hard to know the extent of how draconian tracking actually is (IT pros tend to not talk about it much). In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded and used against the employee for any reason. In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing l…

What you’re concerned about doesn’t stop at the employer. Anyone with access to data being processed about you may have incentives that align similarly with your employer’s use case. Advertisers, Internet service providers, phone manufacturers, social networks, tech platform providers, schools, families, spouses, nosy neighbours, nosy governments. The scale at which you can build a summary about someone is astonishin…

And yet the appratchiks will tell you "just bring another laptop", "just bring another phone", "just don't have health insurance" as the moat closes and you're being exploited on every step.

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It's always been hard to know the extent of how draconian tracking actually is (IT pros tend to not talk about it much). In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded and used against the employee for any reason. In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing l…

> We will soon have to brace ourselves for an absolute draconian level of tracking

I think framing it as inevitable is one of the biggest lies in the current AI narrative.

No, I think the companies that are likely to be successful in the next decade are the ones who respect the basic decency of their employees and treat them as competent and responsible professionals, just as I thought the same thing in decades past when friends told me of mega-corp jobs where they installed mouse-togglers to keep the spyware on their work laptops happy while they were AFK.

It's very similar to drug tests. I've always viewed them (outside of gov/clearance work) as a great sign of a culture that doesn't respect employees and sort of a lower-status portion of the industry.

Meta has made it very clear where they're headed, and it looks a lot like getting a job at Cisco in 2012. I wish them the best of luck in being able to hire the talent they'll need from Gen Z (now well into their 20s) to be successful in AI and other emerging technologies.

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Reminds me of one of the more brilliant passages in Snow Crash , describing work in "Fed Land"... ''' Y.T's mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this m…

What makes this even more hilarious is that Meta's rebranding was in part inspired by the metaverse concept in Snow Crash. You can bet that Zuckerberg, along with many other tech executives, have read this exact passage while mining the book for ideas. Life imitating art?

Tech corp execs also read the rest of Snowcrash, unfortunately, so besides the metaverse crap we also got Snowcrash's "gig economy" labor hellscape.

See also, Jennifer Government, numerous works of PKD, etc.

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> or it would make it impossible for the most toxic (non-criminal) team members to be fired. The issue at present is that everyone is being laid off. If we accept this anti-union trope, let's t least accept that it is strictly better than the current situation where no job is safe.

In my native country unions have crippled the job market and most of my peers don’t see any benefit from them, we actually hate them for the most part. Unions are just another way to find a single solution that fits everyone and we all know how that turns out. They’re just be another bureaucratic institution for corrupt politicians. Tons of evidence out there, especially in EU.

Can you provide some concrete examples and sources?

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I have had that discussion multiple times with people. They all seem to think you absolutely need to live in a 5 bedroom 5m$ house in Palo Alto (because how else are you going to live?). But if you rent a normal 2BR for 4000$ in the Bay area, and could potentially rent the same for 1500$ in a LCOL, that is a minimal saving compared to your income. Everything else stays mostly the same. An on top of that most companie…

This is exactly what I'm talking about. $1600 will get you a respectable 2-bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood in Chicago, which most certainly isn't LCOL. If you want your 5-bedroom mcmansion in Northbrook or your artsy flat in Wicker Park, then yeah that'll cost more - see your point about houses in Palo Alto. A downright nice 2-bedroom apartment in the heart of Rochester MN will run you $1300/mo tops, and $…

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Makes me wonder what it’s like to identify with the villains in media. Zuck looking at the metaverse and thinking hey that’s a good idea! Or Thanos wasn’t so bad. Those rebel scum had it coming. Homelander is the good guy!

>identify with the villains in media. Zuck looking at the metaverse and thinking hey that’s a good idea! Are there many stories where the bad guys create the metaverse? AFAIK, Stephenson coined the term in Snow Crash and there it was built by the main character and his buds. The Matrix, I suppose? Though I think Zuck's (immediate) vision and who he identifies as is way more Hiro Protagonist or James Halliday.

Ready Player One

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Always thought it was weird for the omniscient narrator to refer to her as “YT’s mom”

I found Snowcrash to be surprisingly poorly written. Especially given that I had read Cryptonomicon and Diamond Age before it. The quality of writing is so different. I thought perhaps Snowcrash was his first novel, but it wasn't!

Was visiting a university bookstore few months ago and came across it used in paperback. Never read it but know it has modern/tech significance. Read some of it and went "well, naah" and passed. Ironically the book I ended up purchasing instead was really bad and I couldn't finish it (something by Maureen Down the NYT columnist, I love her opinion work but the book was horrible)

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> now at a community-owned grocery co-op I find that space really interesting. Do you by any chance have a blog, or would you mind sharing a bit of your experience with it? Also, any advice on research or reading materials? :) Thank you!

Folks who do what I do don't seem to have much of an online water cooler, aside from some National Co-op Grocer forums which are restricted access. Do check out ncg.coop though. That said, I'll take the word of encouragement that maybe a blog would be interesting. You can do some really fun things at smaller businesses because it's fine if it doesn't scale. I can actually save us money by 3D printing or laser cutting…

I'd love to read a blog (or even sporadic social media posts on Mastodon/Bsky/etc.) about this kind of stuff.

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I did find this odd at first too, but then I realized something: it's a pain to maintain a device. Customizing it to the way you like it is not only a waste of time, it's tedious and never ends in an age where defaults are often adversarial to your interests. It's enough work taking care of one pet/kid, you might not want another. Now I'm a nerd and I went through a realization that I should treat my devices as 'live…

"your employer won't provision you a Linux with root" - there's your problem!

Fair. I am curious how many folks are able to get root access on their work machines across the software workforce. If you do, what sort of surveillance tech does your IT expect for you to have on there? Are you given special exemption compared to Mac or Windows company machines?

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Yes. Margins are high in coffee. We serve a high quality product that customers feel is priced in the value range and we are at like 70-80% blended gross margin. There are plenty of busy shops at >80%. It takes time to ramp up, but 100 orders a day is nothing. We do more than that in an inexpensive suburban strip mall. You can easily get into the hundreds in a high traffic location. The key is to develop a base of re…

I have so many questions. What was your initial startup investment? How did you pick the location to set this up in? What did your business plan look like? How many employees did you start with? How long did it take you to make a profit? Were you a coffee connoisseur before you got into the business? How do you select your beans? How did you do your marketing? I would love if you would answer these questions. Alterna…

I didn't know anything about coffee, but I do have an MBA and held leadership positions before this so I wasn't completely clueless.

It took between $150k and $200k to start up. We had to demolish and rebuild an existing retail space. We also spent a lot on our equipment. You can definitely do it for less.

We picked a location near our house because we were tired of leaving our city to get good coffee. It's in a fairly busy shopping center with a supermarket.

We did the best we could with our business plan. It was wrong though - both good and bad.

We were pretty much cash flow positive by the second or third month. There were a few occasions where we had to put in a little extra cash during the first several months though. We were maybe 7 months in the last time we did. We turned a profit our second year. It's not easy though. You struggle to survive for at least 12-18 months.

We started with 3 employees. We still have 2 of them and the other went off to college. We have more now, but it's mostly part timers with the original 2 picking up most of the hours. We extended our hours since we first opened and we were open 360 days last year.

We selected our beans like idiots because we didn't know any better, but it turned out to be awesome. Normal people hook up with a local roaster. We went to Costa Rica to meet farmers. We visited a bunch of places and ended up with a direct trade agreement. We started importing green coffee in bulk and roasting it locally in small batches.

For marketing, we make silly social media videos and run ads on Google and Meta. We also did some local news stuff in the beginning. We do the typical local SEO stuff, get great reviews, etc. We are the highest rated shop in the area so a lot of people find us that way. We do some influencer marketing - a lot of bang for your buck there. We also offer a great loyalty program - nearly 60% of our revenue goes through that.

We have SMS opt-in from thousands of customers so it's easy to blast out a quick promo and shake the money tree on a slow day. Offering double points can turn things around quickly.

A surprising number of people will provide an email address or phone number on their first visit. I'll keep track of those first timers and load them into a retargeting campaign on Meta if they go a few weeks without coming back. I spent $16 doing that this month and got $940 in revenue from those customers.

Ultimately, the most important thing is to make sure everyone leaves happy. We work hard so that people leave happier than when they came in. Mistakes are made too. When you're making a couple hundred drinks a day and doing food orders, you're bound to screw something up. All our employees have the authority to give discounts, refunds or comp items. They keep an eye on people when they get their order. If it looks like they don't like it, our staff will be proactive about it. It was hard in the beginning when we were scraping by and giving away a drink because somebody didn't like what they ordered, but it pays off in the long run. You must have solid repeat customers to stay in business.

You can usually find a local roaster who will help show you the ropes. Often, they are the local channel partners you go through to buy your espresso equipment anyway. If you call up La Marzocco, Sanremo or Simonelli, they will put you in touch with some people. Local chamber of commerce meetings are good too. You can also meet other coffee shop owners in the area. I'm friendly with a couple owners of places that are far enough away that we don't compete with each other.

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