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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by josteinhylin »

dlev_pika wrote: post #348
2p3onf_Dfj wrote: post #292

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There is a way in which this whole situation has been revealing to me about how little some outside the US actually understand about US politics and civic structures, or alternatively have their own form of isolationism. The heterogeneity in the US — culturally and in terms of political-legal structures — is far greater than those in Europe and Canada seem to understand sometimes. This is now combined with a corrupti…

I don’t think the billionaire technofascists will just stop by their own volition, no matter how nice we ask.

I love your ass

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by OKRainbowKid »

chasd00 wrote: post #247
wolvoleo wrote: post #116

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As a European: yes definitely. And that won't be fixed if you choose a sane administration again. There can always be another Trump. It will take significant time to build trust again.

> It will take significant time to build trust again and nothing of value was lost. What did the US get out of the relationship?

Not sure, boatloads of money perhaps? And status as the global hegemon?

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Post by throwaway2037 »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #569
throwaway2037 wrote: post #134

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And that has never happened to any European company, right? (I'm looking at you ASML.) By your logic, does that mean that most European nations are "no longer the safety many assumed before"?

ASML is not really a good example it's basically an American company because of it's history.

You lost me here. I disagree. Sure, they have a lot of sales to US. However, the design and engineering is absolutely done in NL. Yes, I know they have a huge global supply chain.

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Post by tekknik »

doikor wrote: post #546
tracker1 wrote: post #429

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Most nations can coerce information from corporate entities within their nation, even information that corporation holds outside said country. To what extents that coercion can hold will of course vary by local laws, customs and the people in charge. The US has a fairly large media footprint, not to mention it's actual physical size and outsized influence even then. So it is more covered and visible. Inside the US, t…

> where national laws and EU laws conflict EU doesn’t really have laws just directives and regulations it excepts every individual member to implement. Sometimes there are disputes on the implementations that are then fought over in the eu courts but if the member county really doesn’t want to implement or follow them there really isn’t much outside of withholding funds eu can do. (For example see Hungary under Orban…

US states follow US federal law for much of the same reason, because the federal government will withhold funds. We do not use our military to force states to comply with federal law. There’s an entire court system to handle governors who ignore federal law.

“Threat of violence”…lmao

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by tekknik »

TheCapn wrote: post #531
Unfunkyufo wrote: post #498

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As an advocate (and practitioner) of European digital sovereignty, let me tell you, at least from my perspective, it has absolutely nothing to do with fear of US intelligence agencies spying on us, and everything to do with the catastrophic consequences of an unreliable and unstable American government pulling the plug on our vital infrastructure, or at least the very least weaponizing our dependency on American comp…

As a Canadian who has been listening to the "51st state" wordvomit coming out of US administration your comment is very apt. For some reason I can't fully grasp, a LOT of US citizens are ignorant to how the rest of the world is perceiving them at the current moment. There's countless US articles talking about US/Canada relations as if it is a trade dispute and that they think Canadians are eager to re-unite and go ba…

For some reason I cannot grasp Canadians think the US citizens think about them at all. We may as well not have a northern neighbor, all that most of us think exist between Michigan and Alaska is snowy wilderness.

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Post by tekknik »

embedding-shape wrote: post #402
dsl wrote: post #396

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Which is just wildly backwards. It is the same mindset of the cyberpunk "privacy advocates" of the early 2000s, move your stuff to Sealand or Switzerland. The fundamental flaw with this plan is if your fear is genuinely of the United States, your data is far more protected inside the US. The intelligence community has no restrictions operating on foreign networks and servers. Rather than go to a FISA court for approv…

The fear is not "NSA is snooping on our customer data", it's "Trump has a beef with our premiere minister/president, and Jeff Bezos accepted Trumps request to turn off AWS from them" that's the fear. We're far beyond the default assumption that NSA snoops on absolutely everything, and more about protection ourselves from trade wars, tariffs and similar blockages as what Microsoft did with the ICC.

So you’re scared of losing AWS? What about the ability to have global IP space? That’s still firmly in US control.

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Post by swiftcoder »

Longlius wrote: post #600
crote wrote: post #535

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And then you've got a country like the US introducing the CLOUD Act, which "allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil." In other words: physical location isn't enough, the company's HQ being in the US is in itself already a massive risk. The big Ame…

You mean like EU Chat Control?

Just because one government tried to do a fascism, doesn't mean we should excuse all the others

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by vga1 »

influx wrote: post #486
vga1 wrote: post #364

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Also Trump 2 proves without a doubt that at least half of the american voters are absolutely insane or incredibly stupid. For 1 there used to be some doubt. We in Europe are enjoying roughly 15-20% insane/stupid ratings at this point, which is not great but still a bit better.

Anyone that doesn't agree with you politically is insane or stupid?

What the hell made you think that from what I wrote?

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Post by embedding-shape »

tekknik wrote: post #614
doikor wrote: post #546

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> where national laws and EU laws conflict EU doesn’t really have laws just directives and regulations it excepts every individual member to implement. Sometimes there are disputes on the implementations that are then fought over in the eu courts but if the member county really doesn’t want to implement or follow them there really isn’t much outside of withholding funds eu can do. (For example see Hungary under Orban…

US states follow US federal law for much of the same reason, because the federal government will withhold funds. We do not use our military to force states to comply with federal law. There’s an entire court system to handle governors who ignore federal law. “Threat of violence”…lmao

> We do not use our military to force states to comply with federal law.

Isn't the National Guard in the US considered to be a part of the military? I seem to recall that they were federalized/deployed at least twice recently, because supposedly state-actors/police didn't do enough to combat violence, or to protect federal workers or something like that?

Also, hasn't the current administration threaten to deploy the National Guard even more times, because the states are not following what the administration believes are the federal laws? Or what was the reason for those "threats"?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

tekknik wrote: post #616
embedding-shape wrote: post #402

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The fear is not "NSA is snooping on our customer data", it's "Trump has a beef with our premiere minister/president, and Jeff Bezos accepted Trumps request to turn off AWS from them" that's the fear. We're far beyond the default assumption that NSA snoops on absolutely everything, and more about protection ourselves from trade wars, tariffs and similar blockages as what Microsoft did with the ICC.

So you’re scared of losing AWS? What about the ability to have global IP space? That’s still firmly in US control.

Businesses are scared to lose access to data hosted at US entities, because this recently happened, so they have good reason to fear something like that.

AFAIK, the US has never done that with IP space, but if we did see evidence of that, then you'd see similar worries about that for sure. But I think most of us see it as pretty implausible to happen, since the consequences of such move would be huge, and would probably end the internet as we know it today.

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