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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by grumple »

huntertwo wrote: post #519
sysguest wrote: post #515

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hmm isn't the whole thing a continuation of "revenge against hamas's attack on Oct 7th 2023" ? hamas being a proxy to iran, I don't get why people think iran as some "peace loving, innocent country" well, are they? raping/killing some *foreigners* and displaying their bodies as parade... well that's not very "peace loving and innocent" is it?

When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.

> When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor.

Oh boy, let me tell you about October 7th. Attacks by Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and Iran followed. Oh, and half a dozen other Palestinian groups were involved in 10/7 but they don't like to talk about that.

> How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough?

Probably not too far off from how many Iran has killed in the same timeframe (of course, they are killing their own). Iran killed 30,000 of their own just this year.

And just so we're clear, Iran supported Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, and the Houthis in Yemen, both or whom are responsible for easily 10x as many deaths as Israel (total). The civil wars in Lebanon and Syria left millions dead, and the one in Yemen also resulted in hundreds of thousands dead.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by laughing_man »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #607
laughing_man wrote: post #575

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I wouldn't get too complacent about peace in Europe. The peace in the last 80 years or so was the result of very specific conditions that no longer apply.

The EU is at heart the European peace project, and it very much still applies. I think your assessment of whatever the "specific condition" is, is wrong.

Lately, sure. But for most of that time the threat from the Soviet Union was the heart of the European peace project. Without the USSR the fractures in the EU look to be getting more serious, at least from the outside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine will probably save either the EU or NATO, but probably not both.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

troad wrote: post #545
oa335 wrote: post #522

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> I never claimed this only ever happens in the Middle East. you said > Arab democracies are unstable because they will elect Islamists. whereas my claim is that governments (democracies or not) that run afoul of their local hegemon tend to have a short shelf life. this is not unique to US hegemony. see: Brezhnev doctrine (USSR), or the canonical example of Athens and Melos from Peloponnesian war > Rise up for El Gen…

> I'm sorry, you seem triggered by this discussion, it doesn't seem productive to continue on my end. I suppose shall have to make do without 101-level instruction in Chomskyian anti-Imperialism, woven through with whataboutism and international conspiracies. > whereas my claim is that governments (democracies or not) that run afoul of their local hegemon tend to have a short shelf life. this is not unique to US hege…

Chomsky is deep in the Epstein files. Turns out he might have been doing some “manufacturing consent” himself!

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Post by grumple »

b345 wrote: post #562
UltraSane wrote: post #521

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Iran has been using Hezbollah to attack Israel for over 30 years now. The explicit goal of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas is the destruction of Israel.

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Israel only ended up in Lebanon due to PLO attacks from Lebanon.

Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Lebanese and Syrians. They are much better at killing other Arabs than Israelis. They are a tool for Shia clerics and Iran, not a legitimate force for good in any way.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

constantius wrote: post #596
Yizahi wrote: post #202

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Egypt learned on other's mistakes for once. They saw how Jordan welcomed Palestinians on their land and they repaid the kindness by launching a coup against the government in 1970. No wonder not a single anti-Israeli coalition country is willing to deal with Palestinians directly at their own home and are keeping borders watertight :) .

You're probably aware of your bigotry, as the stupid smiley at the end of your comment seems to suggest, but your reasoning only serves to support the pre-made conclusion of 'Palestinians are genetically evil'.

How can you not acknowledge that essentialism is basically correct?

Some cultures go thousands of years without ever forming civilizations that escape barbarism. Slavs in particular seem especially unable to find their way out of tyranny, for literally thousands of years.

Sometimes you call a spade a spade. Essences exist. Copes against it like “intersectionality” have been thoroughly rejected by the body politic and that’s why you see zoomer and gen alpha talking like they’re all from 4chan - because 4chan was the only place where essentialism was not only accepted but encouraged.

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Post by [deleted] »

DaSHacka wrote: post #556
fortran77 wrote: post #534

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Lol you mean until two years from now, when tides will inevitably shift? The so-called "Zion-don" won't be in office forever, despite what he seems to believe. Look at the polling. The current U.S. stance on Iran and Israel is extremely unpopular. It's only a matter of time before a natural course correction occurs, and the voters' voice is heard, whether at the upcoming midterms or the next presidential election. An…

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Post by Der_Einzige »

constantius wrote: post #598
anvuong wrote: post #461

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Are you sure? Jordanians tried and it burned them spectacularly. And if my memory served, Egypt also tried to some extent and eventually was eagerly and happily offloading Gaza into Israel's hands. Then, they built a huge border defensive line to keep Gazan out that would make Trump's Mexican border a joke in comparison. At some points people need to wonder why.

> At some points people need to wonder why. Could you imagine me making the same argument with other historically 'unwanted' groups, like for example Black people or Jews? If these populations keeep getting kicked out and marginalised through millennia, surely you have to start wondering why.

We need actual coherent answers to that question, because whenever the myriad number of kids in school ask such questions and get non answers, they start to actually buy the “global conspiracy” framing of everything.

It’s probably more anti-Semitic to lie and say “jews don’t control Hollywood” rather than try to explain correctly why they do. Yet, most people don’t even want to try to explain historical factors.

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Post by bfivyvysj »

elcritch wrote: post #606
KingOfCoders wrote: post #536

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The problems the UAE has are not based on Iran attacking the UAE but Iran closing the Strait - which is a direct and foreseeable result of Israel attacking Iran.

The US and Israel attacking Iran. Also with the Saudis heavily lobbying Trump to do it as well. The Saudi crown prince wants Trump to continue the war still. 1: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-israel-attack-iran-iran-i... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-...

Careful, you'll break its world view.

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Post by bfivyvysj »

sgarland wrote: post #458
nakedrobot2 wrote: post #423

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Johnny Harris is astoundingly wrong about most things, so I'll skip it thanks

Years ago I had found his channel and liked it, and then some video (I don’t remember the title or even subject at this time) came up on a subject I happened to know quite a bit about. He got to some point in an explanation, bungled it, and then hand-waved it away, saying the details were unimportant. Stopped caring about anything he had to say after that, and I also then realized that there was a an entire genre of…

Try Sarah Pain for middle/eastern history.

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Post by ceejayoz »

nkmnz wrote: post #604
ceejayoz wrote: post #602

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Everyone can get (civil) married: Fine! No one gets (civil) married, everyone can get a civil union: Fine! Certain people can get (civil) married, others get a civil union: Not fine. This is very simple. "Separate, but equal" never works.

But what is the DIFFERENCE between the two, other than the name? Please enlighten me, I cannot find any meaningful information on this. Also: this kind of discrimination - if there is any - is targeting Arabic and Non-Arabic Israelis in the exact same way. So I don’t fully understand why you pointed this out as an Act of discrimination against Arabs.

> But what is the DIFFERENCE between the two

You, in your own comments, acknowledged they are similar, not identical.

For starters, you have to go abroad for one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_civil_marriage_...

They also aren't valid abroad sometimes.

"In 2017, the Florida Third District Court of Appeal held that although Israel recognizes 'reputed spouses' as a legal union, the union is not a marriage under Israeli law, and therefore, Florida law does not recognize the relationship as a marriage."

And some people (an atheist marrying a religious person, for example) can't get one at all within Israel.

"In 2010, Israel passed the Civil Union Law for Citizens with no Religious Affiliation, 2010, allowing a couple to form a civil union in Israel if they are both registered as officially not belonging to any religion."

> Also: this kind of discrimination - if there is any - is targeting Arabic and Non-Arabic Israelis in the exact same way.

"It's fine, we discriminate against other minorities!" is not the argument you imagine it to be.

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