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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by calf »

parl_match wrote: post #604
manquer wrote: post #534

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This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices You seem to referencing from a older exemption for self serviceability if your smartphone can do 1,000 cycles and retain 80% battery. Specifically - B 1.1 (1) (c) (ii) (b) . Here is the link - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... Article 11 of the new regulation ( https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... ) c…

> This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices It was not said that Apple was exempted. What was said is that Apple complied with the exemption rules.

It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication. The replier then pointed out the exemption rule is outdated therefore the implied consequence is wrong and the original line of reasoning was misinformation, and thus would be the greater error. Humans

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by AdrianB1 »

Jyaif wrote: post #119
IMTDb wrote: post #83

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I have found out that the main phone providers (Apple, Google, Samsung) have extremely long support period. I really don't get the "planned obsolescence" thing. As an example, in Jan 2026, Apple published iOS 12.5.8 which provides updates for iPhone 5s which released in Sept 2013. That's 12.5 years ago. The equivalent would be to connect to the internet using ADSL in Jan 2000 with your IBM PS/2 rocking in intel 8086,…

Machines were roughly doubling in performance every year back in 2000. Nowadays they are doubling in performance every... 5 years?

Only in some edge cases, in others it takes even longer than 5 years and that time is getting longer and longer.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by codedokode »

It's a good move, but that is not enough. My old Chinese phone had a replaceable battery but it lasted so long that after it died, it was not possible to find the replacement. It seems that all phones have batteries with different sizes, and potentially different third pin designation, so even if you find smaller battery, it still can be incompatible because of third pin.

So if you want phones to be usable for longer period, you need to standardize batteries.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by parl_match »

calf wrote: post #611
parl_match wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is not correct. There is no exemption for Apple devices It was not said that Apple was exempted. What was said is that Apple complied with the exemption rules.

It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication. The replier then pointed out the exemption rule is outdated therefore the implied consequence is wrong and the original line of reasoning was misinformation, and thus would be the greater error. Humans

> It was not said explicitly but it was a straightforward implication

It really, really wasn't. All it said is that Apple became compliant with their current offerings.

Now you're contorting to dig your heels in, so I think this conversation is over. Have a good day.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by vrganj »

999900000999 wrote: post #9

>The regulation states that batteries must be removable using ‘commercially available’ tools This is doing a lot of work here. There's enough wiggle room for this to be absolutely meaningless. Anything short of I can slide off the back cover and maybe unscrew two or three screws to replace the battery means that a lot of people are going to end up not being able to replace the batteries.

That is a very American view of law that has burned American companies again and again.

In EU law, the intent matters, not the letter of the law. No silly loophole lawyering.

To quote:

>When interpreting EU law, the CJEU pays particular attention to the aim and purpose of EU law (teleological interpretation), rather than focusing exclusively on the wording of the provisions (linguistic interpretation). This is explained by numerous factors, in particular the open-ended and policy-oriented rules of the EU Treaties, as well as by EU legal multilingualism. Under the latter principle, all EU law is equally authentic in all language versions. Hence, the Court cannot rely on the wording of a single version, as a national court can, in order to give an interpretation of the legal provision under consideration. Therefore, in order to decode the meaning of a legal rule, the Court analyses it especially in the light of its purpose (teleological interpretation) as well as its context (systemic interpretation).

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2017/5993...

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by lsbehe »

codedokode wrote: post #613

It's a good move, but that is not enough. My old Chinese phone had a replaceable battery but it lasted so long that after it died, it was not possible to find the replacement. It seems that all phones have batteries with different sizes, and potentially different third pin designation, so even if you find smaller battery, it still can be incompatible because of third pin. So if you want phones to be usable for longer…

While standardization would be nice, I can still order batteries for the Samsung phones I've used 15 years ago. Availability might not be that much of an issue with larger brands.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by dzonga »

good idea - but not effective enough.

if you gonna go about e-waste then go by repairability and part prices and part supply. then let the market sort itself out.

as someone said - either standardize batteries or ensure that device makers can cap the cost of battery replacement from 3rd parties.

most phones these days - the screen gets damaged before batteries.

what about laptops ? other e-devices ?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by daemonologist »

bydo wrote: post #437
nicpottier wrote: post #290

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I think phone manufacturers will figure it out once it is a requirement. Was switching everyone to USB-C annoying for Apple? Sure. Are we in a better place because the EU forced it. You betcha. That's the point. I don't love everything the EU does (cookie banners!?) but this is one where I have confidence that the consumer will ultimately benefit. As others have noted, most people do not replace their phones every tw…

Everyone moving to USB-C was the same standard, though; now you can use the same charger with your phone, laptop, tablet, other random gadgets, etc. If you forget your charger you can buy one virtually anywhere, or borrow someone else's, since they're all the same. Everyone moving to "battery must be replaceable without tools" doesn't do anything useful for most users. Yeah, now you can carry an extra battery on a ca…

I believe part of the legislation is that manufacturers must make spare parts available for five years.
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