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Post by krior »

tmoertel wrote: post #376
laweijfmvo wrote: post #178

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The people. We voted for the people who gave the power, and we re-elected them. It’s really that simple. Is it “too late” now? maybe, but we had ~25 years since this all started post 911 to react, and chose not to.

> We voted for the people who gave the power, and we re-elected them. That would be true if We The People were reliably informed when we showed up to cast our votes. However, in recent years, we have become detached from reality. "News media" companies pivoted away from keeping their audiences informed about things that mattered and instead focused on capturing audiences and keeping those audiences maximally engaged…

Can you really shrug of responsibility that easily?

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Post by krior »

anigbrowl wrote: post #290
oceansky wrote: post #269

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There elections every two years, it's not too late. But only if people actually want that enough to vote and press politicians.

There's no mechanism for pressing politicians except threatening not to vote for them again, and politicians are exceptionally cowardly and avoid picking up hot potatoes that could incur criticism. I'm in a district with one of the safest seats in the country, and getting my representative to state a position on many issues is like getting blood out of a stone. There's no formal mechanism of accountability for member…

> There's no mechanism for pressing politicians except threatening not to vote for them again...

That mechanism seems uniquely weak due to the american voting system.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by krior »

neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

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Post by cycomanic »

It's fascinating to watch the absolute dishonesty/mental gymnastics of all the free speech absolutists who were crying that they could not say what they want on other people's platforms just a few years ago. Now they are justifying actions by the state (against whom the free speech protection was designed), with reasons like there were people at the protests who hurt a police officers feelings by shouting something mean. Let's remember this is the regime which pardoned people actively engaging in violence at the Capitol.

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Post by cycomanic »

orochimaaru wrote: post #536
Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

Does the government need a reason to revoke a persons visa? First amendment or not, that is the real question. If no reason is needed then whether the first amendment applies or not is moot. There seems to be broad discretion that the government has in revoking visas.

No the government can't just revoke a visa because Trump doesn't like your face, the reasons must be based in law and there is the pesky thing called due process that needs to be followed. I am honestly flabbergasted that people think the government can just do willy billy.

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Post by UberFly »

dwaltrip wrote: post #474
xdennis wrote: post #416

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It was omitted because it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which ally the US sells weapons to. If the Gazans attacked Luxembourg, Luxembourgers have the right to defend themselves (and win) too.

I apologize for bringing up irrelevant information.

You really should. It is self serving information.

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Post by UberFly »

ericjmorey wrote: post #378
celdon25 wrote: post #149

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If it helps you feel better, I voted for free speech and feel that the administration did not hold up their end of the deal. The FTC’s recent “debanking” letter to the payment processors is just theater until something changes. I’ll leave it at that.

You voted against free speech. The sooner you can admit to that the better. Trump has been very clearly against free speech well before 2015. He's been anti-American and anti-constituion well before he came down that escalator. It doesn't make me feel better that you're still pretending otherwise.

Please give examples to your accusations if you want to be taken seriously.

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Post by guelo »

WalterBright wrote: post #127
soganess wrote: post #106

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A country is not a house. Conflating the legal framework of a nation-state with the etiquette of a private living room is a category error. As John Locke demonstrated when refuting the patriarchal theory of government, political power is fundamentally distinct from household authority. A private home is governed by the unilateral property rights of an owner; a republic operates via constitutional law and public right…

Analogies are never perfect. The point remains, however. If you're here on a visa, the visa can be revoked, and you can be ejected. Revoking a visa is not a criminal sanction and not a violation of your rights, as there is no right to a visa. Your citizenship cannot be revoked.

Especially if the government is controlled by zionists

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Post by MichaelRo »

cycomanic wrote: post #615
orochimaaru wrote: post #536

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Does the government need a reason to revoke a persons visa? First amendment or not, that is the real question. If no reason is needed then whether the first amendment applies or not is moot. There seems to be broad discretion that the government has in revoking visas.

No the government can't just revoke a visa because Trump doesn't like your face, the reasons must be based in law and there is the pesky thing called due process that needs to be followed. I am honestly flabbergasted that people think the government can just do willy billy.

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

keithnz wrote: post #603
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #581

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How odd that one amendment away the word “people” has two different meanings.

it doesn't. Read the first amendment carefully. People is only used in one specific part, the bulk is about limiting what the lawmakers can do. free speech has no reference to "people"

All amendments are about what limiting lawmakers can do. Even the second.

People is only used in one specific part… ok?

How does that square your idea of 1A with SCOTUS being very recently clear on 2A not immediately applying to non-citizens?

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