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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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So what's your proposed solution? Not have a military and just roll over when someone decides to attack you?

My proposed solution is understanding what this scene means: In front of a blood-stained chessboard littered with mutilated chess pieces finely dine two royal couples - black and white - cheering their endgame.

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what's your proposed solution? Not have a military and just roll over when someone decides to attack you?

My proposed solution is understanding what this scene means: In front of a blood-stained chessboard littered with mutilated chess pieces finely dine two royal couples - black and white - cheering their endgame.

How does that solve any problem?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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How does this relate to my comment?

It isn’t “every law.” It’s not written to be directly operationalised. You’re comparing a declaration of values to operational law; they’re words in different ways and contexts.

Is a "declaration of values" more than words if there is no power that is willing to enforce it?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #432

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It doesn't, only German citizens

does citizen and German not mean the same thing? Are EU citizens living permanently in germany even considered to have a duty to either militarily or in civil service serve in war times?

Not a lawyer but the German constitution, Article 12a, speaks of men above 18, not of citizens, or even residents of Germany.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

So that article can in theory be used to conscript any man, citizen or not, living in Germany or not.

The Wehrpflichtgesetz, which is a simple law and requires just the 50% Bundestag majority to have it changed, refines this very wide constitutional power in article 1, to require men who hold German citizenship above 18.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.ht...

Article 3 refines it even further to folks below 45 or 60, depending on the severity of the situation.

But yes, in theory it can be changed to include any non-German citizen man, people aged 80, living inside of Germany since a while or never having been to Germany ever, or just random men who happen to change flights at FRA.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Also Curds and Israelis prove that women can very well be full on soldiers.

Kurds* yes and Sweden as well. I agree, it's not like people are running around swinging broadswords, maces and war axes anymore. Anyone without a disability can run and pull a trigger or do all those technical jobs.

> Anyone without a disability can run and pull a trigger

This is very much untrue in terms of being a soldier in a high-functioning military.

Technically, you’re not wrong (at least for lighter weapons). That said, there are many more physically demanding things that are involved in doing infantry things (which is what you’re describing) other than running and pulling a trigger (and ideally hitting the target).

> or do all those technical jobs.

Depends on the job, but much more likely.

The vast majority of the jobs in the military are not infantry or infantry-type jobs, so I can see a lot more scope for drafted women who aren’t cut out for infantry doing these things.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Shockingly sexist policy. And as per usual because its harmful to men no one cares.

The constitution made it impossible to make a less sexist law, because it says that women cannot be forced to military service. It is an old document, and it is based on old role models. Modernizing the constitution would require 2/3 majority, and the government was already struggling with making a law at all. This is an explanation, not a justification.

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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for the risk of getting downvoted: why only locals, but no migrants?

Why would non-citizens get drafted in the military?

The US draft included non-citizen legal residents, such as Howard Stringer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stringer>

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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for the risk of getting downvoted: why only locals, but no migrants?

>why only locals, but no migrants?

Even if they are included, they wouldn't join up.

More British Muslims joined ISIS than the British military. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/magazine/her-majestys-jih...>

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post #615

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Kurds* yes and Sweden as well. I agree, it's not like people are running around swinging broadswords, maces and war axes anymore. Anyone without a disability can run and pull a trigger or do all those technical jobs.

> Anyone without a disability can run and pull a trigger This is very much untrue in terms of being a soldier in a high-functioning military. Technically, you’re not wrong (at least for lighter weapons). That said, there are many more physically demanding things that are involved in doing infantry things (which is what you’re describing) other than running and pulling a trigger (and ideally hitting the target). > or…

> The vast majority of the jobs in the military are not infantry or infantry-type jobs

Exactly.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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post #100

Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.

You sound sexist to assume women lack physical strength. In this day and age they are capable of fighting.
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