Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here: 1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because the ones "using their servers too much" are already their clients so they could reach out and keep trying to convert. Openclaw literally brought them customers at the door. 2. Do everyone royally and get them off their platform - with a strong feeling of dislik…
Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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My impression is that at the moment the value you get out of Claude is simply incredible. As a senior engineer, you get an assistant that never gets tired and can do quite a lot on its own. For me, it’s been an eye-opening experience. I used to have a collaborator called M that had a good general culture, but was not too smart. The calculation going into my mind every time I ask Claude for something is: how much woul…
value is high but what about the competitors? is claude that good? the last time i tried claude it was sonnet 4.5. it was ok, not worth the api money clearly. but i only use api tokens for llms.
But… anecdotally, Claude is just that good. Gemini needs a lot of hand-holding, and it will still tell you it’s done when it achieved half the work. Or say, “this test isn’t passing, I’ll just delete it”. Every now and then I get tired of it and give the same task to Sonnet 4.6; 5 minutes later I’m done. Bug fixed, UI properly working, React hooks not being conditionally rendered, theme variables used properly. It’s wonderful.
I’m not sure about large agentic work or deep thinking, but I’m mostly automating away the drudgery of dealing with React Native. I still want to do the deeper work myself, but even there Opus is usually a really good sparing partner.
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#614Claude usage limits are insane. I love their models but had to cancel my personal plan because I would burn through my weekly limits in 2 days. I use them for work but I spend like $30-50 __per day__. Not something I'd pay for myself.
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I need a hypothetical use case for things like this, I don't get how so many people have so much desire for use of features like this.
Every morning it summarizes a bunch of stuff for me, suggests me PRs to review, emails to reply to, freshly cloned any new repos, pulled all others, presents me with the suggested approaches to my PRs of that day, and gives me a list of my slack mentions that look more urgent. This is just the morning ones, and saves shitloads of time of clicking around from tool to tool, freeing up time for the thinking and deciding…
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> not allow something like OpenClaw on our network And where’s the difference between the Claude Desktop app and OpenClaw at this point? Anthropic have been hard at work porting the most important features. You can easily shoot yourself in the foot with both now.
Claude Desktop is an Anthropic product, Openclaw is not (their founder works for OpenAI even). Anthropic wants you to use their subscription only for Anthropic products. I don’t think the difference is that difficult to see.
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> not allow something like OpenClaw on our network And where’s the difference between the Claude Desktop app and OpenClaw at this point? Anthropic have been hard at work porting the most important features. You can easily shoot yourself in the foot with both now.
Claude Desktop is an Anthropic product, Openclaw is not (their founder works for OpenAI even). Anthropic wants you to use their subscription only for Anthropic products. I don’t think the difference is that difficult to see.
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#619"these tools put an outsized strain on our systems" AKA when you fully use the capacity you paid for, that's too much!
You don't pay for capacity, you pay for an interface. Paying for capacity is what API keys are for. Similarly, on a home internet connection you might pay for a given size of pipe, but most residential ISPs don't allow running publicly accessible servers on your connection because you'll typically use way more of the bandwidth.
The business model of an ISP involves fixed capital investments into infrastructure with constant opex and very little variable costs.
The marginal cost of sending a gigabyte is basically zero. The limited resource here is bandwidth and ISPs split their tiers based on bandwidth.
The problem is that some users may consume the local bandwidth that is shared with other users. More bandwidth requires more investment into infrastructure. This means that bandwidth in itself doesn't produce costs for the ISP either, it is the maximum bandwidth capacity that costs money.
Hence, oversubscription is a viable business as long as neighbors aren't impacted by power users.
This doesn't apply to LLMs. Token economics has the same economics as steel. There is high capex to get started, but the real killer is the variable cost per unit of steel.
You can't sell steel on a oversubscribed subscription model. It's nonsensical.
If the subscription is more expensive than buying what you need, nobody is going to pay for the subscription unless they consume all of it.
Hence the subscription must contain a subsidy to make it competitive.
However, the people who consume the full subscription are still there and each token they request adds up on your electricity bill.
Ergo, the subscription must be more expensive than the API, but with a smart billing limit that removes the cognitive burden of using your service with pay as you go billing.